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 G The Voice of Reason
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 Posted: 11:19 - 28 Oct 2011 Post subject: Attentiveness and some explanation for SMIDSYS! |
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First off, watch this and follow the instructions on the video:
Appreciate this has been going around for a while, but g'wan, give it a go again anyway!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGQmdoK_ZfY
Results are discussed below - please watch first .
Then for some more explanation of that, this a presentation about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59js7dcie08
Nothing to see here! (No, really.)
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I counted the correct amount of passes. 16. Then I was like, well that was a crock of sh!t. How hard was it?
And then he said did you notice the gorilla and a player leave. Fcuk off was there a gorilla there.
Rewind...
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I've seen the basketball one before and knew a gorilla would be there thus I looked for it (and saw it this time obviously), the other 2 bits were unexpected (and missed) though, good vid!  ____________________ '12 NC700S & '12 CB600F Hornet [Stolen by some dickless twat] Suzuki GT500 shed |
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OK...so what if you noticed everything... Judging with my history on bikes... I shouldn't have even seen the video, let alone a ball being thrown around  |
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It was more an exercise in misdirection than perception.
I did spot the gorilla.
However. If they'd given instructions to count how many times the BLACK team passed the ball, I bet nobody would miss either the gorilla or the missing player.
The background colour change was gradual and slight keeping the same saturation. If it had suddenly gone blue, again, people would have noticed.
It was a deliberate and carefully designed trick and to me doesn't prove very much of anything.
It's like claiming you made an object disappear by saying "Look over there! a flying pig!" and putting it in your pocket. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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It does illustrate that you can look right through a gorilla sporting a massive erection[1] while focussing on something else.
Whether that explains why people miss bikes while looking out for cars, buses, trucks and such is a slightly different question.
I'm minded to agree that it does, and that it's because they don't see us as proper road traffic, but I wouldn't put money on it.
Aside, I'm sure most of us have seen this video of the anti-SMIDSY weave. I initially thought "what a muppet", but I have to admit that I've been trying it out recently.
I've got no empirical evidence that it helps, but it does fit in with my philosophy that it doesn't matter how daft other road users think you are, as long as they see and acknowledge you.
Doing it regularly also get you into the habit of treating junctions and the risk of SMIDSYs seriously: actually taking action, rather than just telling yourself to watch out for Micra Man sharpens the mind wonderfully, I think.
[1] If you checked the vid to see, it was me that was sporting the massive erection, not the gorilla. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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A cooler mind trick is this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lilac-Chaser.gif
Watch the cross in the middle, what happens to the dots? ____________________ "It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one" |
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| G wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: |
Aside, I'm sure most of us have seen this video of the anti-SMIDSY weave. I initially thought "what a muppet", but I have to admit that I've been trying it out recently. |
May be easier to see, but from that video it looks like the bike is 'flashing' too - giving it the possibility of making it more likely a car will pull out because they think you're letting them out. |
That put me off trying it for a good while. It's situational, you'd only want to do it where you suspect that Micra Man is likely to pull out on you anyway. Just being noticed is half the battle, IMO. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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My point is that people intentionally look out for cars when pulling out of a junction, say (the people in white) and something such as a bike may well be akin to the gorilla and other changes.
And yes, thus bikers do tend to notice other bikers even when in a car, when car drivers often don't. |
True, but what I was getting at was that video had been very carefully choreographed and the colours very carefully chosen to MAKE it difficult for you to see what was happening.
Their instruction to watch the white people and the subsequent criss-crossing of the black and white people makes you realise that in order to watch and count what the white people and only the white people are doing, you have to quite deliberately filter out and ignore the back people and what they are doing.
So you are actively ignoring the black ones, it's not surprising you don't notice one of them disappearing and let's be clear, it wasn't a gorilla. It was a person wearing a black hairy suit.
I bet everyone would have noticed a real gorilla, they move differently and as hunters, our eyes are attuned to movement. That's whay the weaving thing works coming up to junctions ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Mmm, actually I should clarify that I don't do that exaggerated amount of direction-changing weaving, I just do some gentle lateral movements, aiming to end up positioned well away from the cage at the critical point in case I need to do a proper swerve. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 350 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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