BCF / Bike Questions

[Bendy]

Inspired by the 125cc sportsbike forum rant...

Why do some people get so offended at the advice that 'sitting their test and buying a bigger bike' is the most cost-effective way to go faster?

Why do some people on this site seem to have a problem with the concept that a 125 or a 33bhp bike might be plenty for an individual at that given time?

Why do people ask for advice when they've already made their mind up about something?

Why can't people accept that what was good for them isn't necessarily the only way to do something?

Do people really believe they can't come along to a BCF meet on a 125 cos they'll be laughed at? (a few people have said that)

Why *do* you ride the size of bike that you do?

Am I a diesel bummer?

[McJamweasel]

Here's my guesses...

[cagiva gezzer]

My 125 only costs £100 to insure. Thats why i have a 125 and it was plenty for the herts meet!
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[killa]

Answers, as I am probably one of the people the receiving end of this.

1. Due to my idiotic time on tuned 50’s and stolen bikes I cannot pass or actually take my test

2. Don’t know about that

3. Second opinion, bordem?

4. Arrogance (usually the person on the receiving end)

5. I live to far away I think, id like to meet though……

6. Money

7. Probably not
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[Key Walshe]

Some good questions, I've asked the same things myself and come to the conclusion that those who have any problems with anybody elses bike are naive and aren't willing to understand that different people have different needs from their bike.


Why do some people get so offended at the advice that 'sitting their test and buying a bigger bike' is the most cost-effective way to go faster?

If it's in a thread about how to make <insert bike name here> go faster and someone says the usual 'Do your test and get a bigger bike!' then that's not much help is it? If that so person wants to tune their bike, regardless of what it is then why should they be patronised like that? (As I think that's patronising, though some will beg to differ....)


Why do some people on this site seem to have a problem with the concept that a 125 or a 33bhp bike might be plenty for an individual at that given time?

Because as said above, some people are unwilling to understand other people's needs and usually are in the belief that what they have is the best - if someone's giving advice on other alternatives then fair enough, but many often just state to buy 'such a thing' as it's much faster, cheaper, looks better etc. yet does it do everything what that person wants? Often people forget that last bit...


Why do people ask for advice when they've already made their mind up about something?

Attention seeking maybe, trying to stir up a debate, trying to get other people's opinions who may have something to share which they don't know about... not really sure on that one!


Why can't people accept that what was good for them isn't necessarily the only way to do something?

I think I gave my opinion on an answer above...


Do people really believe they can't come along to a BCF meet on a 125 cos they'll be laughed at? (a few people have said that)

I can think of a case where Phil H was laughed at, because he had a CBR125, by some members, joking or not, it's not always made clear and it comes down again to people's inability to accept different things.


Why *do* you ride the size of bike that you do?

And Aprilia Rs250, cheap, very enjoyable yet at reasonably sensible speeds fun on a motorbike - I don't use it for work or commuting so it does it's job perfect at being used to give me the biggest smiles possible, for which I don't think a 4T does the job at - but that's my own opinion!


Am I a diesel bummer?

Unless you use a strap-on I'd doubt it lol but i wouldn't say so as from reading previous posts by yourself you seem a nice person who's able to see other people's POV.
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[sychosis]

"Why do people ask for advice when they've already made their mind up about something?"

I haven't made my mind up yet as to what to get next.

"Do people really believe they can't come along to a BCF meet on a 125 cos they'll be laughed at? (a few people have said that)"

I have a 125 and I try and get to the Wheel as often as I can.

"Why *do* you ride the size of bike that you do?"

I have my test booked for the end of next month and at the moment it is the only thing I can afford

"Am I a diesel bummer?"

Couldn't possibly say
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[Kris]

I have issues with the 'bigger bikes are the way to go' brigade. Maybe for going faster then that is correct, but for licence preservation, cornering techniques etc a small capacity bike is much better generally. Especially when under 25 when insurance is laughable.

And what is the problem with putting exhausts on 125's etc? Okay so it may not make much difference in performance/value but who gives a fuck. To see a youngster spending some time and money on their bike, maybe learning some home maintenence in the process then where is the problem?
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[cagiva gezzer]

Another plus to having a 125.

If i had a larger bike i wouldn't be able to occupy myself for an evening just because " i wonder what my crank is looking like? / think i'll change my rings..."

However, if i had a big bike i wouldn't have a need.
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[Gazdaman]

The one about not turning up to meets on a 125 is interesting.

They're just not really taken seriously by the biking community. Maybe it's the image of the people riding them, or the L plates, I don't know.

I'm not sure I'd be comfortable going to a meet on my MZ, with a top box!

Gaz

[Bendy]

Is *anything* taken seriously by the biking community?

The bikeporn mags would have you believe that you're nothing if not on the latest tarted gixxer thou / r1 / zx10 / whoever's given them the most freebies that month.

The streetfighter mags are all about high arses, nos kits and bhp.

Some of the more 'sensible' press like big tourers and talking about fuel economy and tyre wear.

Twist'n'go mag probably think the DNA rules all.

Then there's the custom people...

One niche of the 'biking community' looks up / down / sideways at another. Turn up on the wrong thing to the wrong place and you can feel unwelcome.

Well... bollocks to that. I like the people who don't believe what they read in the magazines and will base my opinion of whether I like you or not entirely on whether you're a dick or not. BCF may have a bit of a bias towards the plastic-y but the more interesting people with other interesting bikes that come along, the more interesting it gets for everyone.

(Badly formed post, got a phonecall in the middle).

[mchaggis]

The stigma is with the L-plates. And as the limit is 125, then 125's are seen as learner motorcycles.

I'm not sure I'd have a huge problem coming to a meet on a 125, but with a 125 which can maybe hold an extended 50mph, going on a rideout where people don't do less than 70+ is something I would perhaps get laughed at for. Even if I wasn't laughed at, it would be pointless at I'd just ride at my own pace (the bike's pace) and get left far behind.

2t 125's aren't anything to be ashamed of. They go plenty fast enough. They're lucky compared to us 4 strokers, but I didn't buy my first bike with the intention of competing with other riders and trying to keep up, I bought it with the intention of learning to ride, having fun and as a means of getting about.
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[Kris]

[Bendy]

[madbikerbabe]

well !!! all i can say is ride what YOU like...i have got a 1200 bandit and some people have a problem with a female having such a bike....will you ever win !!!!

[Demonic69]

I think most people on here offer advice based on their personal experience. I'm sure that's what advice is
I personally think 400's are a waste of money and maybe one day someone will agree
I ride a big fast bike because I'm big and like to go fast
I think licence preservation is bullshit. You can do a ton on an NSR just as easily as on a 600, it's just getting there that takes a while. If you're gonna ride like a cunt and get caught, it matters very little what bike you're on.
I also dislike 125's purely because they're not really that economical. MPG isn't great on 2strokes, neither is having to buy more oil. General wear and tear is exaggerated as opposed to some bigger bikes, but that same can be said for bigger bikes vs 4stroke 125's.
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[stinkwheel]

Funny lot bikers huh?

You ask for an oppinion from me, I will usually give one. I have oppinions on most subjects and they are often ill thought-out and unfounded in fact. That is the risk you take for asking for one on a public forum. I decline to comment on some things, usually because I have done so before or because I know my oppinion will be neither heeded nor appreciated.

The 125 question is interesting. Some of the clubs I go out with have a 250 2-stroke and 400 4-stroke minimum engine size rule for going out on runs. This is nothing to do with being superior, just that the distances covered by the runs would mean waiting about for folks to catch up otherwise. Other clubs, anything goes.

I have noticed that bikers in general are a critical bunch, not just with a 125. Ever noticed what happens when someone turns up on a new bike? I have looked, everyone stands round it kicking the tyres, wiggling bits and making comments like 'chain needs tightening', 'brakes are a bit spongy', 'you have an oil leak' and 'those flashers look crap'. I do it myself. A group of bikers can be kept entertained all day at a rally just by walking round picking faults with other peoples bikes. That is why I like ratbikes, gives people plenty to talk about.
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[mr jamez]

Lorrydriver really does makes me laugh, he always runs away and gets his little gang to back him up on how he hates BCF and that they are so big and mean to him

Judging by the amount of people who voted compared to the total amount of members, I would say nobody really cares. So untwist you're knickers and shut the fuck up Lorrydriver/other twats

The reason people hate you lorrydriver is because you are a stuck up little twat, who talks complete rubbish and doesn't know shit about anything. Shall I drag the thread up where everybody takes the piss out of you? or will you cry and run away again?

[mr jamez]

Finished my dinner so I will add this or something

I think the problem is, that certain people can't accept what other people want to do or their opinions. Like tuning a 125cc, I personaly think it is a waste of time, but if they want to do that then fair enough. I think that "doing your test and buying a bigger bike" is the general concensus on this forum, it is a piece of advice and someones opinion. It is from their experience of going up from a 125cc, many have regreted spending money on them. Sometimes it comes across a bit strong I suppose, but the notion that members here hate two strokes and think 125's are rubbish is utter crap

Why could the author of the thread on 125cc SBF not have posted what Bendy did? Instead of using petty, childish insults and stirring up trouble. I can only guess that he is very imature and likes an argument, seems to spend most of his time slagging off the CBR125 and other 125's, so hasn't got a leg to stand on when he complains about people who ride 600cc's and say tuning a 2 stroke is pointless


That is my 2p anyway.

Oh and as for saying what you did about Ste lorrydriver, that was just down right low. Grow up.

[Flip]

Ride what the f*ck you want to ride, b*llocks to what people think of it. 125's are a great way of learning to ride and get you from A to B in a fun and independant way. (Much better than Dads taxi).

What the fr1g is a 'diesel bummer'???

[Bendy]

[Rob]