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loply
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Trickle charging Reply with quote

Hi folks,

How long should I charge my (flat) battery for on a slow charger?

Also, I take it i just connect the leads to the right battery terminals, dont need to do anything else?
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suggested charge times are given on the back of an optimate box.
If I remember right toureres are 20 hours, sports bikes around 16 hours.
If it's an Optimate charger would suggest just sticking it on for 24 hours as it'll do no damage if left connected.

Just connect to the battery terminals +ve lead to +ve and -ve lead to -ve and then switch it on.

DO NOT be tempted to use a car charger, it'll fry the battery.

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PostPosted: 12:24 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually just leave it overnight. 12 hours should be more than enough. Maybe 6 hours would do.

Make sure you disconnect the battery from the bike before you start to charge it up or it won't do anything.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

ProXimaCore wrote:
...Make sure you disconnect the battery from the bike before you start to charge it up or it won't do anything.

Optimate chargers can be put in parallel with the battery to charge it.
They even come with a connector you fit on the battery so you can leave it in place. Very handy for thos hard to reach ones. Just plug it in and leave it. Every battery will discharge over time, more so if your bike has a clock, alarm, etc and connecting the charger keeps the battery topped up.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there you go! Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm I have connected the charger but havent disconnected the battery.

There is no alarm, clock or anything on the bike.

Is it definately neccessary to disconnect the battery?

If its of any relevance to the question; The charger came with leads advertised as "convenience leads - No need to remove plastics" as you can connect them to battery and hang them out of the fairing somewhere.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Btw no it isnt an optimate charger, £10 off ebay its just a black plug/transformer with leads.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say if you're not sure, then just disconnect it. It takes 2 seconds.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

No you do not need to disconnect the battery.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

to everyone . it's higly dangerous (especially with electronics) to put a battery in charge without disconnecting at least the ground .
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The optimate says that you only need to remove the battery if it's fully discharched before charging.

Otherwise you just use the permanantly mounted kit that comes with it.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:53 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:


DO NOT be tempted to use a car charger, it'll fry the battery.



I've used a car battery charger on mine more than once without any problems. The charger is about 30 years old too. You just have to keep an eye on it. So long as it is the right voltage I don't think it will do any harm unless you leave it charging too long.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

no problem with a car charger , the pnly thing to watch is the intensity of the charge . the maximum should be 10% of the capacity
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
I've used a car battery charger on mine more than once without any problems...
alains wrote:
...no problem with a car charger...

Trickle chargers for bikes are around 200mA.
Car chargers start at around 2A.

You put too much in at once and you'll damage the plates in the battery. May not seem like it at the time but the battery life won't be much.

Motorcycle batteries are small, the plates are close together. It doesn't take much to damage them.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 16 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens if your battery will only charge up with the terminals reversed?
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 17 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

alains wrote:
to everyone . it's higly dangerous (especially with electronics) to put a battery in charge without disconnecting at least the ground .


I'd not class it as highly dangerous, in fact I'd consider the risks too small to be of consequence.

Just what risk do you talk of? have you damaged the vehicle's electrics in the past? suffered from ignition of gasses?
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 17 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

baldy wrote:
What happens if your battery will only charge up with the terminals reversed?


You mean battery charger +ve to batteries -ve and vise versa?
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 17 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

To charge my batteries I simply put a 13V 200mA supply onto the battery and leave it till the current drops to 0(ish), when everything is equal it must be fully charged, assuming that the batteries in good condition that is.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 18 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A fully charged 12v battery should read about 13.4 volts.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 18 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

why is it nessary to charge the battery on bikes should they not charge them self's
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 18 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

For starters bike batteries are small owing to a lack of room so only average around 1/3 to 1/4 of a car's battery.

Secondly, the altenator on many bikes is pretty piddly to say the least. EG mine on my FZR600 does not produce its full potential till I hit 5000RPM. I ride my bike pretty gently so round town I'd not be surprised if my battery fairs pretty badly.

Also, if your bike has an alarm the little bike battery cannot support the alarm as long as a car battery would.... only a few days with some.

Maybe someone else will think of some more reasons.

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PostPosted: 15:05 - 18 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stryker wrote:
...Maybe someone else will think of some more reasons...

From what I remember I think you've just about covers it.
There's always a loss from chemical batteries. How do you think your walkman/MP3 gets flat when you haven't used it for weeks.
If you've something always drawing current, like a clock or alarm then this loss will be quicker.
If your battery has been damaged in any way (a bike being knocked onto its side can do this) then the amount of charge it can hold will be reduced anyhow.

The altenator will only put back what it can into the battery. It's powering your bike first. If you only use the bike for short runs or just around town then not much will be put back.
Also at this time of year with the likes of heated grips and extra lights the battery is probably helping out the alternator by providing extra current that it's not going to get back.

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