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jamie192
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 01 Dec 2004    Post subject: Concequences Reply with quote

what would be the result of someone getting caught with a 70 bore on a 50 cc motorbike when they were 16??


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PostPosted: 23:16 - 01 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd get done for riding outside the restrictions of your license, which I believe is basically the same as riding without a license. You'd also get done for riding without insurance. 6-12 month ban and a fine at a guess.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 01 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving with no licence and no insurance, so probably a ban, a few points and a nice hefty fine.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

What craig said is the worst that would happen. The chances of you getting caught are near 0 and the consiquences are likely to be a severe warning a fine & some points.

So long as your not caught speeding, or have stickers on your bike advertising it, then no one will ever know! Smile
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

the genral rule of thumb is if you are 16 on a moped that is no longer a moped but a 70cc or 50cc motorcycle and police are in the area you go 29.9mph
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd probably find yourself ending up in the magistrates court with three anal retentive have-nothing-better-to-do-with-their-time mothers deciding on your sentence. You'll be looking at a 6 - 12 month compulsary ban and up to a £5000 fine or community service if you get found out because of a nasty crash.

Sounds like quite a bit of work to do on a 50cc bike as well. Wouldn't you rather just wait less than a year and get a 125 instead? What bike are you planning on getting the bore out on anyways?

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PostPosted: 10:17 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't feel sorry at all if you did get caught , and the people that catch you aren't anal or anything like that. To ride any bike that isn't covered by your license means you are riding without insurance. It's highly unlikely that you will ride into me, but if you did I would be the one out of pocket with a trashed bike and no-one to pay for it. You're almost as bad as people that drive around with no insurance at all.

Just had to put forward some kind of arguement against everyone riding bikes that they shouldnt be.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

In theory that's true, however even if he does have an accident involving another vehicle, and it is deemed to be his fault, the chances the insurance company will spend £££ on stripping his bikes engine down to check for modifications are extremely slim. Therefore IMO it's not anywhere near as bad as riding without insurance.

If you were to take the theory further, it could be argued that not declaring a race can/bigger rear sprocket/ double bubble screen to your insurance company would invalidate your insurance. How many of us would get caught out by that? Obviously in practice it doesn't usually tend to work that way.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
In theory that's true, however even if he does have an accident involving another vehicle, and it is deemed to be his fault, the chances the insurance company will spend £££ on stripping his bikes engine down to check for modifications are extremely slim. Therefore IMO it's not anywhere near as bad as riding without insurance.


Do the police not give bikes a good looking over in the case of a nasty accident though?
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
In theory that's true, however even if he does have an accident involving another vehicle, and it is deemed to be his fault, the chances the insurance company will spend £££ on stripping his bikes engine down to check for modifications are extremely slim.


From what I have heard in the past, and from what TC has said, I would suspect that the insurance company could not get out of paying a 3rd party claim when a 16 year old has a moped bored out beyond the capacity allowed by their licence.

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PostPosted: 11:22 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's not likely to happen but when people do get caught they should expect to be punished severely, not just given a slap on the wrists and told not to do it again. Even if it was only one in a million casses ended up with the insurance not paying out due to a bike not being restricted, that still means one probably innocent person has been deliberately put out by one person that doesn't care.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

RickHolt wrote:
Even if it was only one in a million casses ended up with the insurance not paying out due to a bike not being restricted, that still means one probably innocent person has been deliberately put out by one person that doesn't care.


Even should the insurance company manage to avoid liability then the MIB would still pick up the 3rd party claim (but will claim back the money from the "uninsured" rider).

If insurance companies could get out of claims that easily then there would be chaos. I would guess that a large majority of vehicles on the road are in some way illegal (even if it is just an illegal numberplate, and I have seen marked police cars displaying these), and there is no way that the insurance companies can get out of paying out on 3rd party claims because of this.

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PostPosted: 12:56 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said before, I rode my TS for 6 months with the big-bore, got pulled up twice and had 2 accidents, and not once did the big-bore come up.

It's entirely up to you mate, rather than messing about with cans and sprockets the easiest way to make it faster is the big-bore. But if you can, your best off waiting till your 17 and just getting a 125
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got my 50cc derestricted at 16, It goes 50 by the speedo (about 43mph in real speed), I live right next to a police station and go past it every day I even rode home doing 50mph with police behind me last month.

99.9% of cops even more so traffic police know most 16 year olds derestrict or in your case big-bore their mopeds at 16 and 99.9% of them turn a blind eye unless your speeding or causing danger to yourself or other people. It's been said many times that a moped doing 50 is safer than a moped doing 30 in a 50 zone or what have you, Mind you; you still get the tw@ts in the white diesel vans wanting to overtake you on a roundabout well they do that to me anyhow Thumbs Down

This is just my experience, of course I'm not saying if you do it your not going to get caught, It's just a risk you take.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

AcID ZeR0 wrote:
I live right next to a police station and go past it every day I even rode home doing 50mph with police behind me last month.


how can you travel at 50mph if...

AcID ZeR0 wrote:
I've got my 50cc derestricted at 16, It goes 50 by the speedo (about 43mph in real speed)


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PostPosted: 16:37 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps he was travelling down a hill with a tail wind?
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

rieju.rs1.evolution wrote:
AcID ZeR0 wrote:
I live right next to a police station and go past it every day I even rode home doing 50mph with police behind me last month.


how can you travel at 50mph if...

AcID ZeR0 wrote:
I've got my 50cc derestricted at 16, It goes 50 by the speedo (about 43mph in real speed)


Nick


I think he mean's 50 on the speedo...
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 02 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I was going downhill at the time around Epsom area.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 03 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
maurice wrote:
In theory that's true, however even if he does have an accident involving another vehicle, and it is deemed to be his fault, the chances the insurance company will spend £££ on stripping his bikes engine down to check for modifications are extremely slim. Therefore IMO it's not anywhere near as bad as riding without insurance.


Do the police not give bikes a good looking over in the case of a nasty accident though?


There are 2 ways of telling if a 50 cc is bored or not,
1. test the speed on it, if it goes 40 mph kinda jobby then its bored or has something illegal.
2. the only other way you can find out is by taking the engine apart and measuring the bore itself. As they are exactly identical on the outside.

i know a few people who have had ts bored and they gone past police wheelieing and stuff they didnt get in trouble for the bore but for being irresponsible and things.

One thing though, last night a bore could of saved my life as you can see on https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=37131 As i would of been able to overtake this 50cc scooter and there for not have me stuck behind her.

In the end the question is, is it worth the risk?
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 03 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You just answered your own question, the fact that your bike can only do 32mph and cant overtake for shit almost got you hurt.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 03 Dec 2004    Post subject: insurance Reply with quote

I dont think insurance companies would bother unless someone was seriously hurt or worse. Then the cost to them would be high and it would be worth them doing it although i doubt if they could get out of the pay out. I expect they would try to claim it back somehow.

I think they are aware of all the illegal bits and pieces people put on bikes and cars and just add a bit onto everyones premiums to cover the cost of claims.

Question is , if you haven't earned the right to ride a certain bike because of age or restrictions do you think you should.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 03 Dec 2004    Post subject: Re: insurance Reply with quote

zx636 wrote:
Question is , if you haven't earned the right to ride a certain bike because of age or restrictions do you think you should.


You do not earn the right to do anything by merely getting a bit older (with the exception of some medical conditions Laughing ).

As to the actual law, I never had a slowped, but do not really think it is a sensible restriction. 30mph is easily enough to kill you, but also not fast enough to keep up with the flow of traffic. I would expect that most police are fully aware of the 30mph law, and are fully aware that most slowpeds do not comply but would rather people broke the law rather than donated their bodies for use as bonnet ornaments.

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PostPosted: 17:56 - 03 Dec 2004    Post subject: Re: insurance Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

You do not earn the right to do anything by merely getting a bit older (with the exception of some medical conditions Laughing ).


Wotcha.

Us old gits also seem to get cheap insurance too Laughing but on the down side, we ain't got as much time left on this 'ere Mortal Coil Shocked

To get back on topic Wink
I changed the barrels / heads on my engine, taking the capacity from 1300 to 1600. Informed the insurance company, and was told there's no extra charge, so at least that's one less thing to worry about.
It's all well and good uprating the engine for more speed / power, but, as they say, "any fool can make it go fast." I'd concentrate on getting the brakes and suspension uprated before I started working on the engine, both my trikes now run vacuum servo drum brakes to the rear, and discs to the front.
The only thing you can't alter, and can't prevent either, is your age. Just give it twelve months, and you'll no longer be restricted to under 50cc ( having said that, I didn't abide by that particular law when I was 16 Embarassed )
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 04 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was recently a motorcycle crash in a small (20mph limit) village near my home, the papers reported it as a 42 year old man on a blue Yamaha 125 killing a 17 Year old Cyclist, as I have been told and know (I know the bike/rider in question) it was the young lad on the bike, and as the "gossip" has told me (and having ridden "with" (read: past) him he does go a bit fast for what it is) he had it bored out and his insurance company haven't covered him and the police are being very harsh on him.
I don't have cold hard facts but I believe it to be honest, and boring out is hassle anyway, just wait it out.
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