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PostPosted: 20:23 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reckon anybody can steal my bike? Reply with quote

In light of all the bike thefts lately,

When I park my bike anywhere public I lock the steering lock, put a cheap ebay disc lock on the front brake, and wrap a cable lock through the front spokes.

Does anybody know of anybody removing two locks from a bike in a public place? Is it possible?

Im thinking about possibly buying another disc lock if so (surely they cant remove two?)
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If somebody want's it they will have it no much how much security you put on it.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone's deturmined they can and will steal anything. A disk lock is ok, ideally you want a big chain, and you want to chain it to something.

steerings locks aren't worth the bother from what I've read, apparently they are broken with a good kick and actually aid a thief with hotwiring your vehicle.

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PostPosted: 20:26 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't put it past some of the thieving scum that's out there mate to be honest. They dont care if it's public or not, they're scum and they do whatever they want.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know 4 blokes could pick it up and load it into a van,

But can a random opportunity thief remove a cable lock and a disc lock? Are they pickable? Can you smash them off?
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course its possible mate.....of course it is.

You've got a szr660, bit of a different bike so would be theifs would probably eye it up a little more than they would, say a cb250 or something.

I have an oxford bodyguard cable lock, abus solid secure cable lock (both wrapped around a lampost and in the back wheel), an oxford disc lock, the steering lock, put the bike in gear, and put a cover on it AS SOON as it cools down. Also datatagged. I will invest in a u-lock soon enough and have another chain at home which I havent managed to get back up here yet.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:

You've got a szr660, bit of a different bike so would be theifs would probably eye it up a little more than they would, say a cb250 or something.



I would have suggested exactly the opposite. Thieves want stuff they can get rid of easily, for as much as possible. The SZR never sold well in this country, and as a result is a bit of a rarity, it shares few common parts with other bikes, and even mint, straight bikes are fairly cheap. Proper thieves won't be that interested in a bike like that.

R1/6's, Blades, CBR6's, ZXR's etc......Lots about = lots crashed = high demand for spares = good to steal.

Obviously, protect it as much as you can, to avoid the asshole/ amateur/ 'yooves' element, but 'proper' thieves probably aren't a threat.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually a bike most likely to be stolen wont hold that much value, usually a cheap 50 or 125cc. That's according to government "statistics" anyway.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somerset Scratcher wrote:
Actually a bike most likely to be stolen wont hold that much value, usually a cheap 50 or 125cc. That's according to government "statistics" anyway.


With smaller bikes that's true, largely because of yooves stealing for the fields, and the fact that people tend not to bother with security on cheap bikes. With bigger bikes it's the more common bikes that get nicked most, and this is reflected in insurance premiums.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well yes, there are more of them about...higher chance of getting stolen! Very Happy Razz

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PostPosted: 20:53 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short of electrifying my bike once it's in the garage, I doubt there's much more I could do. I've got it chained to a ground anchor, disc lock back and front, and a chain through the rear wheel. Got a little sort of ultrasound alarm that'll set the dogs off if it goes, and the house behind has two huge dobermans that bark at anything that comes within 2 foot of there massive metal fence. I'm pretty sure sure my bike's fairly safe, but I'm still careful when I put it away to make sure no scum spot me putting it in the garage, as they say, out of sight - out of mind.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon it would take me all of 10 seconds to remove the security you have described using a 5.99 set of bolt cutters which I could stick up my jacket. Snip the cable then give the disc a sharp crack so it smashes to bits or alternativley spend a further 10seconds unscrewing the brake caliper.

Then push the bike round the corner into a secluded spot, hotwire it (would take me about 20 seconds with some wire snips if there was no immobaliser because I know how bikes are wired). Bump start and off I go.

Buy a heafty chain and lock, chain it down to something through the frame.

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EDIT: Forgot the steering lock, either five or six sharp kicks to the bar end or one good smack with a hammer and cold chisel.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to lock my push bike up with a £40 D-lock until someone figured out you can open them with a 50p BIC pen Shocked I tried it myself after watching a video on the internet and it popped open in about 5 seconds. It's one of those round keys that are supposed to be 'pick proof.' I don't know how many other locks like this are affected but I will never trust a round lock again. Mentioned it because most disk brake locks are the same design.

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PostPosted: 21:00 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

meyrick wrote:
I used to lock my push bike up with a £40 D-lock until someone figured out you can open them with a 50p BIC pen Shocked I tried it myself after watching a video on the internet and it popped open in about 5 seconds. It's one of those round keys that are supposed to be 'pick proof.' I don't know how many other locks like this are affected but I will never trust a round lock again. Mentioned it because most disk brake locks are the same design.

Paul Smile


U-locks are easy. All you need is a car scissor jack to spring them apart sideways. 30 seconds tops.

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PostPosted: 21:02 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stink, your beginning to worry me the amount of knowledge you have on stealing bikes
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reflex wrote:
stink, your beginning to worry me the amount of knowledge you have on stealing bikes


I have been the victim of a total of six bike thefts so i know how they did it.

I am also an expert at loosing keys and I can assure you that noone bats an eyelid as you are stood at the side of a busy street hacksawing the chain off a motorbike, chiselling off the steering lock then hotwiring it and riding off.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 06 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Reflex wrote:
stink, your beginning to worry me the amount of knowledge you have on stealing bikes

I am also an expert at loosing keys and I can assure you that noone bats an eyelid as you are stood at the side of a busy street hacksawing the chain off a motorbike, chiselling off the steering lock then hotwiring it and riding off.


Funny how that doesn't surprise me in the least mate. Only bike theft I've known personally is when some twat nicked my dad's old GSX-F, rode it through the pit behind my house, took it up the motorway to about 140 (without a crash hat) lost his bottle and pulled over and waited for the old bill that were following to nick him. He could of got away cos he'd lost the pursuit car and they'd pretty much given up. He got his bike back, but it was so shagged it was written off.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 07 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have posted this before but I am going to do it again in case people did not get a chance to read it, I believe it to be a sound method of securing your bike.

Well after several months searching for a dependable security locking system, I gave up and made my own. Heres the low down on what I did and why I did it.
First I made a base plate from some good thick steel 300mm in diameter and drilled 5 holes, 12mm in diameter and welded a bow shackle that I bought from a 4WD shop in the middle to give me a strong point to lock to. I bolted the plate to my garage floor with Dyna Bolts and Mag Wheel Lock Nuts. I then sourced some 13 or 14mm steel rod and measured a length to slip straight through my front axle and cut it to suit, I welded a 5mm plate 50mm in diameter to one end and drilled a 10mm hole into the other end to allow a padlock shackle to slip through then all that I need to do is climb off the bike, lock the steering, slip the rod through the axle and lock it to the base plate with a Kryptonite chain for good measure. I believe this is a great system as it is extremely difficult to remove the front wheel, cut the chain or padlock or carry the front wheel. If you want to remove the mounted anchor plate it is only a quick 10 or 15 minute job to remove the plate with the supplyed lock nut key and then just fill the holes with a silicone based caulk. I have also made another system for the rear wheel but I need to remove the split pin from the rear axle to mount the steel rod through the rear axle, I would also love to make one for the swingarm pivot also but it is only a 6mm diameter hollow pivoting rod to go through on my bike. I hope this didn't bore you too much but one of my biggest fears is walking out with my helmet in one hand and my keys in the other, only to find my pride and joy kidnapped! and I should add that this entire system (MINUS THE KRYPTONITE CHAIN) cost me $80 to make and thats Australian Dollars so that would be about 30 or 35 pound to you guys I think. good luck with your securing
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 07 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
U-locks are easy. All you need is a car scissor jack to spring them apart sideways. 30 seconds tops.


Yeah, but surely it should be used as a last line of defence. Obviously, don't rely on the thing, but someone making a couple of kicks to my handlebars, I would most definetely hear them. Smile
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 07 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

As stinky said, nobody gives a flying **** what somebody is doing to a bike/car whatever, putting it somewhere you can see it is good if you can, any security you have put it on, if possible park it right against a wall and anchor it down (popular trick is to get a few burley bloke in a van to put poles through the wheels and off they go)

I'd even considered puting in a "secrit" kill switch somewhere, then hotwireing will no workey.

If they want it they will have it, opertunists are easyer to beat though, just park to a nicer and unsecured bike Very Happy

A friend of a friend had just got a brand spanking new goldwing, a big van bloking its way, ground anchor, huge lock, disk lock, thatcham approved alarm + imobiliser and just below the bedroom window of the owner... It was there for one night before being stolen, all the security had been defeted, the bike had been lifted with a crane over the van, blatently an inside dealership job.

But like has been said if they want it they WILL have it. I guess if they had a dog with it it would still be there :/ All new bikes should come with a free dog!

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someone making a couple of kicks to my handlebars, I would most definetely hear them.


Generally they will be in somewhere other than where you parked it to give it a kicking Confused Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 07 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="loply"]I know 4 blokes could pick it up and load it into a van,
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yeah, its a shame,but a fact. if you dont have a ground anchor, your bike is still vulnerable. Crying or Very sad
at least garages are as good as, shame they are not at work....
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