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mattsmith95
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 11 Dec 2004    Post subject: Traffic warden in 'hit-and-run' (sorry for this people) Reply with quote

Traffic warden in 'hit-and-run'

A motorist alleged to have deliberately driven his car at a traffic warden as he rode a scooter to work in his uniform was being sought by police yesterday.

Mark Heverin, 28, of Royton, Greater Manchester, suffered a shattered knee in the hit-and-run collision in nearby Grasscroft.


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mchaggis
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 11 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, hope they do catch him. Anyone who is enough of a nob-end to try and deliberately maim and possibly kill someone needs locking up. So what if he's a traffic warden?
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 11 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
No, hope they do catch him. Anyone who is enough of a nob-end to try and deliberately maim and possibly kill someone needs locking up. So what if he's a traffic warden?


Seconded.

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Git
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 11 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

As much as I hate traffic wardens I don't think they deserve this.
Shout at them and call them all the names under the sun but to deliberately try and take one out like this Thumbs Down

Out of work he's probably a lovely guy and no different to any of us, hope they catch the looney!
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 11 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, agree with the followup sentiments above. A bit of a mis-step there mattsmith95.

Perhaps, when you think about it a bit more, you'll reconsider your original post.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 11 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hows he going to reconsider?

To me, it looks like an extract from a news website. He's hardly advocating this behaviour is he? He did apologise in the topic name so maybe he doesn't like the idea of it?
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dodsi
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 11 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

traffic warder is fine where i live, knows i park my bike on the pavement and doesnt care!
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mattsmith95
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 11 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I'm going to get flamed for all this, just remember I'm a courier
and probably the only one here so my comments are sometimes
mean and nasty.

I did edit out my comments on this story.
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Azmodeus
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 12 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sad thing is, the person who did this might have never been given a ticket before.

There seems to be a lot of second-hand anger at TWs, and even I sometimes sneer at one when I see them.

Why all this anger at them? I know they give tickets, but hey - if your given one, you must have been doing something wrong! (And if you didnt do something wrong, you should contest the ticket)

Its just whinging for the sake of whinging, I feel. All the Jeremy Clarksons out there with their irrational hatred and loathing of anyone or anything that gets in their way.

/end rant
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G
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 12 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Azmodeus wrote:
I know they give tickets, but hey - if your given one, you must have been doing something wrong! (And if you didnt do something wrong, you should contest the ticket)


Talk to bendy on that one.
Though it's the organisations that employ and control them that are the real probblem, but that's the world we live in :'(.
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mattsmith95
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 12 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Azmodeus wrote:


Why all this anger at them? I know they give tickets, but hey - if your given one, you must have been doing something wrong! (And if you didnt do something wrong, you should contest the ticket)




Well look at my last thread on this for starters. (which had no replies)
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=37628

Now have a look at https://www.appealnow.com/main.asp?sitepages=Awards

ALL the parking tickets I've had over the years, issued when I
have been LEGALLY PARKED.

I once got a ticket when I was parked outside a PUBLIC TOILET
FFS, parking attendants are scum, especially westminster council
attendants.


I shouldn't need appeal for a ticket that shouldn't of been issued
in the first place.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 12 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

So why does all that make it right for someone to try and run a traffic warden over? I'm sure as you're a courier there are plently of road users that you've pissed off and I don't expect you'd be that happy if you were involved in a hit and run.

Off topic random point, but why are your posts always split up over lots of lines when there is no need? Confused
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Azmodeus
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 12 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see your angry at them.
But think of how many people out there who "hate" traffic wardens. They cant all have been issued bad tickets?

Its as if someone has broadcast over England "Ok, from now on, you must all hate Traffic Wardens"
There only doing their job.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 17 Dec 2004    Post subject: hit and run Reply with quote

Hi all,

I occaisionally browse these forums to see whats going on in the bike world being an avid R6 rider. When to my supprise, I see the post regarding the traffic warden who was hit and run.

I have a conflict of interests here, you see I cant stand traffic wardens, god knows I've had enough tickets - while I'm on the subject I also hate unmarked police cars as well (just been done by one) any back to my original point - The traffic warden that was hit was my younger brother.

Just to let you all know (I've pointed him to this board) he is reassured by your posts in the fact that even a traffic warden doesn't deserve that Smile

Anyhow, hes slowly mending - scooter isnt, has to have a couple more ops yet (remove pins/wire meshing). Good news may be on the horizon - the publicity has generated several leads for the police - petty theyre not as quick with this as they are for petty speeding - sorry there I go again - they have a couple of lines of enquiry opening up and have interest in a couple of vehicles poss. involved.

Anyhow I agree, no one deserves what happened to him, if he landed any different then it could have been curtains. Anyone who mindlessly aims a car at anyone pedestrian or biker deserves the most the law can throw at them.

Here's hoping.....
Pete Heverin.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 18 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad he's on the mend. He didn't deserve that, and I hope they catch the guy responsible. Smile
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 18 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A chavey round my way who has a ford escort got a parking ticket just as he was geting back to the car...

The trafic warden wouldnt take the ticket back so the Chav ran him over in his car Shocked

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PostPosted: 12:35 - 20 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with G. It is not the individual wardens who are the problem, it is the framework underwhich they work.

In the past, because traffic management was not privatised there were no bonuses (I think) for wardens to give out loads of tickets, and so they were more likely to use their descretion. The prime directive was (maybe trinitypete can confirm this) was to ensure smooth flow of traffic. Now their prime directive is to issue as many tickets as possible - two very different approaches with different results.

I think they should go back to not being incentivised financially, or be penalised for issuing dodgy tickets. I just don't see the point in giving people tickets if they are not badly parked or disrupting traffic flow.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 20 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gracie Jones wrote:
be penalised for issuing dodgy tickets


This is what I wondered about. I used to live in Westminster where it was known that the warden who issued the most tickets that year was going to win a new car Exclamation

I received around 20 invalid tickets over a period of about 18 months, contested them all and won each time. But did the issuing warden lose 5 points (or whatever) for every dodgy one, or was I a big yellow point-generating machine?

Incidentally, I had several tickets from the same warden, so I doubt that the feedback on appeals got back to the individual... as one warden (the nice one) said to me, "You've got the only motorbike around here and it's bright yellow. I only need to read your permit once cos unlike many of my co-workers, I have a brain". Laughing She had a point - one day I had a warden come over and grunt at me, I showed her where my permit was located, a bit more grunting and she wandered off only to come back 5 minutes later with another warden and the two of them started shouting at me that they "shouldn't have to bend over to read my permit". Middle Finger
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mattsmith95
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 20 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every thing was fine until the councils took over, I had no problems with the original traffic wardens, they were friendly and very helpful. I would be stuck for somewhere to park to collect or deliver and a warden would say just stick it there mate. They know I will only be a couple of minutes, wonderful.

These days the councils handle it and it's true about westminster council PA's, they used to have competitions for the most tickets issued. Prizes included cars and televisions or a big payout, PA's don't really care about traffic flow, all they care about is the bonus.

PA's are UNfriendly and fucking rude, if you swear at them they get on their walkie talkie.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 21 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsmith95 hit the nail on the head I think.

The POLICE traffic wardens - guys in yellow operate directly under the jurisdiction of the local police authority and are supposed to be issuing tickets for unlawful parking.

Since the local councils have become involved, it is a money generating thing. The tickets are not issue for unlawful parking as such, they issue tickets for any rules the council makes up. In my town Oldham, they even issue tickets if you are parked in a parking bay with wheels on/over the white lines. My partner Michelle got one for being over the white line - but not over the line, the wheel was on it. This was due to the way the car next to her had parked - stopping here parking centrally. Guess what - he didnt even get a ticket. As it happened we contested it and it was revoked.

The only good thing about parking attendant in Oldham is that I believe this is correct - THEY HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED NOT TO TICKET MOTORCYCLES Smile
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mattsmith95
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 21 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

These days the proper "Police" traffic wardens patrol Red Routes ONLY.
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