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DukeRed
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Motorbike Courses Reply with quote

I'm looking to do motorcycle engineering and design at Kingston.
In the long run I'm looking at working for a manufacturer.
Does anyone know how to get in to the industry?
Is a uni course the best idea or are there other courses about that aren't university?

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PostPosted: 17:12 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was looking at Kingston when i got into thinking into careers. there are the only university to offer a motorbike course i have lead to believe. From what I have read on their web they say they have strong links with Honda, Suzuki and Triumph and with specialist motorcycle design companies such as Burwell and Vepro.

The only thing I can think of the get into the motorcycle industry without the degree would be an apprentice. But I have not researched into these.

Which do you plan to do?

BEng(Hons) Motorcycle Engineering Design

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BEng(Hons) Motorcycle Engineering Studies

i believe that design requires 120 ucas points and studies requires only 100 ucas points.

what is your current position sixth form/college?

Have you looked at the Year in industry program?

This is a pre-university program that allows you to work in industry for a year. It is a gap year. I have heard very good things about this program, as its something extra to help you, in the end to get a job. I have also heard that employers are interested if you have participated within the scheme.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The year in industry looks really good but I've already wasted two years on a gap year and art foundation.
Yeah looked at the website as well. Guess thats the course for me then.
Since it only asks for 120 points doesn't that mean it's not going to be very testing because that's the equivalent of 2 D's?

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PostPosted: 17:42 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive done load's of research into this stuff as well.

I did the A&D Foundation course too and am wondering if Engineering is what you want to do? If you just want to design bodywork then go and study Transport deisgn at Coventry, Huddersfield etc.
If engineering is what you want then Kingston was the best I found for a bike specfic course too. Is it the only one in the UK?

And apprenticehsip would be a possibility but it would take a long time to get anywhere near some sort of design engineering role. You will start out as an apprentice technician (a mechanic to you and me) so you start from the bottom. Obviously if you do the Sandwich course at Kingston then you will work for a year in the industry (assuming you find a placement) and I would guess this would be your best bet. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it the only one in the UK?


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Motorcycle engineers specialise in the design, testing, construction and operation of a variety of machines, from superbikes to scooters. Kingston is the only university in the UK to offer BEng(Hons) degrees in Motorcycle Engineering. We have developed strong links with the motorcycle industry and employment prospects for
graduates are good.


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A minimum of 120 points, to include two 6-unit awards or equivalent with Mathematics and a science-based subject at A-level or a 12-unit engineering-based Vocational A-level.


what does this mean, as in grades and awards?
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the UCAS points tariff.

https://www.ucas.com/candq/tariff/tariff.pdf

Does this mean that you would only need a D in maths and a D in a science to qualify?

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A minimum of 120 points, to include two 6-unit awards or equivalent with Mathematics and a science-based subject at A-level or a 12-unit engineering-based Vocational A-level.


Does this mean that they will only accept the points from those two subjects?
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A minimum of 120 points, to include two 6-unit awards or equivalent with Mathematics and a science-based subject at A-level or a 12-unit engineering-based Vocational A-level.


I think they are referring to the number of units which make up the qualifications you currently have. For example, an AS award in a subject would be 3 units, whereas the A2 would be a 6 unit award (3 from AS 3 from A2). Similarly a single award AVCE would be 6 units, whereas the double award would be a 12 unit course. What they seem to be after is people who have stuck with subjects through further education, rather than taking the route of doing loads of different subjects just at AS level. What qualifications are you doing at the moment/do you already have? I get the impression that the Design course is the more academically rigorous of the two for those with a maths/physics background, whereas the Studies course offers options to catch up on maths for those who haven't previously studied it in much depth. Your best bet is to see who is in charge of admissions for the course and try to get hold of them for an informal chat. You don't want to just speak to somebody on the desk in admissions, as they will just read from the prospectus. You need to try and speak to one of the lecturers on the course as they will be more able to give you an idea about exactly what is required from potential students. Sometimes they can be quite flexible about admissions, so don't be too put off if you don't have the entry criteria until you have spoken to somebody there.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a B in maths, E in Computing and a D in Physics at A level. Think that would get me in? How do I apply for university? Never really looked into it myself. Could I still make it for this coming september starting time?

What kind of jobs would that first course lead to? The engineering one?
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

rieju.rs1.evolution wrote:
Does this mean that you would only need a D in maths and a D in a science to qualify?

A D in A Level Maths and a D in any A Level Science (presumably Physics is preferable) would meet the minimum entry criteria.

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Does this mean that they will only accept the points from those two subjects?

No, they will accept points from any subject as long as two of them are maths and a science. Any other A Levels would just be bonus points.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

RickHolt wrote:
I've got a B in maths, E in Computing and a D in Physics at A level. Think that would get me in? How do I apply for university? Never really looked into it myself. Could I still make it for this coming september starting time?


If you want to start in September 2005 apply NOW!!! Call the University ASAP and talk directly to the admissions tutor. Ask if there are still places and if they recommend you apply given your grades. The advisory deadline for UCAS applications is the 15th of Jan. You can apply after this date but the University is well within their rights to bin your form straight away (although from personal experience this is very unlikely, especially if you have called them in advance). You will need to order a form from the UCAS wesite, fill it in and pass it on to someone who can write you a reference. They will then need to write the reference on the same form and send it to UCAS. Order the full application pack and it will come with all the info you need.

Check out the University website/prospectus and the UCAS website for more details on how to apply. HTH.

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PostPosted: 22:58 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

RickHolt wrote:
I've got a B in maths, E in Computing and a D in Physics at A level. Think that would get me in?


with those 3 grades at A-level you have 200 ucas points. You need 120 minimum to apply for the course. so 200 should get your foot in the door.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for design over studies any day. You'll do the studies degree pretty much with design stuff thrown in on top. Design will have a lot more mathematical stuff and will be harder, but if it's a 120 point course, it shouldn't be too hard overall anyway.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 02 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

does anybody know what kind of job you would get at the end of the degree. What would the job entail?
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 03 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely anything mate.

Read on RiDE magazine about a guy that just finished a mechanical engineering degree and talked to some guy in the industry and was told just to send off his cv to triumph to 'give it a go'

He's now or was the test rider of the bikes they produced. Nowt to do with his degree to an extent, which is just typical for mech engers Laughing

If I knew about the course being offered, as much as I'd love to learn and study bikes, I feel its concentrated on one subject too much. I, of course, dont know the cirriculum of the course but one can only imagine with "motorcycle" in it. I'd rather go for a degree which has the 'better' possibility to open up other ways your career can develop.

Research the course, the industry contacts they have, go in to talk to the course advisor there, do what you can to find out what the market and course is like. Nowt worse than working hard over 3-4 years for a degree when you can't get a job at the end of it Sad

Good luck though, its an important decision making time Smile
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 03 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had no idea there was a motorcycle engineering course! If you want something more general, you can't go wrong with mech-eng and apply the knowledge to a more specific masters in engineering.

It'll be more general and i guess open more doors.

I guess with a motorcycle eng- u can work in paddocks or maybe in design labs? Just a guess - is this a relatively new course btw - cos i found absolutely none of that on ecctis or ucas search.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 03 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
if it's a 120 point course, it shouldn't be too hard overall anyway.


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Perhaps, but the entry requirements are far more indicative of the popularity of the course than the difficulty of the course content. I have studied Artificial Intelligence, Computer Science and Astrophysics at the same University (I don't have lots of degrees, I'm just very indecisive). Astrophysics was a lot harder than AI, but the entry requirements were much lower, just because nobody wanted to do it.

EDIT: I also agree with instigator that it is sometimes best to do a more general degree. Saves on multiple course changes Wink

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PostPosted: 02:17 - 03 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something I would like to really stress, is that if you're not one hundred percent sure about what you want to do, do Mech. Eng. Specialise too early and you're shut out of many engineering posts. Mech. Eng. is acceptable for just about any graduate engineering job, whereas something like Automotive Engineering is a fair deal more specialised, and limits you to vehicle manufacturers. Not just vehicle manufacturers, but not even trains or planes!

Apparently, an aeronautical engineering degree would have been more useful for engineering trains. Rolling Eyes Mass transport and all that...

Mech. Eng. gives you a huge huge range of things you can do afterwards, and almost any engineering university runs the course, so you really are spoilt for choice with it. Of course, if you've something a little more specific in mind, and you know what the jobs afterwards require (eg: motorsport engineering so you can be a race mechanic), then go for it. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 02:59 - 03 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm living proof. Doing a mechanical engineering degree, yet I'm going into the construction industry with very little link to my degree, even if It is designing mechanical and electrical services.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 03 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

rieju.rs1.evolution wrote:
does anybody know what kind of job you would get at the end of the degree. What would the job entail?


As somebody has already said, you could end up in any job after a degree. Just because you have a degree in a particular subject it doesn't mean that you will, or even can, end up working in that field. I have a degree in Adventure Tourism Management, and only few of the people I went to uni with are now working in that area, those who are are working in positions which they could have got without a degree anyway. However, having a degree, whatever the subject, has been extremely useful for many of us and I couldn't have got my current job without one.
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