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nick.h
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: How do I change my riding style! Reply with quote

I dont think that i always ride to my limits, but apparently from what mates have told me, i do.

Maybe its because i ride a 50cc (geared) i have the feeling that i need to push it (not literally) ever where i go.

Anyway this does usually lead to moments where i shit myself. Probably a moment in every 3 rides.

Suppose my crash record isnt to bad, 4 crashes, 3 drops and been hit once in 11 months of riding basically every day. I've got no long lasting damage to myself, only scars. But the bike is struggling to survive until i can do my test. The back wheel has been 'off' since i was hit in september, also has very little thread on it. From my latest crash, last week, the bars took a hard hit, so now the front wheel is slightly off. The batteries dead, no side fairings, slightly bent frame.

The bikes a money pit, so im not wasting anything on it, when (if) i pass my test it will rot in my garage. If i dont pass my test, i'm royally screwed.

I put this down to my riding style, but how can i change it, i know that when i go to do my test in feb its going to be hard because i dont know how to ride, properly. I mean i didnt even know that your meant to do a lifesaver if your turning right. Argh how am i going to learn how to ride again on a two day course.

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PostPosted: 14:12 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you get a biger bike you'll have to learn more restraint.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: How do I change my riding style! Reply with quote

Nick.H wrote:
i know that when i go to do my test in feb its going to be hard because i dont know how to ride, properly. I mean i didnt even know that your meant to do a lifesaver if your turning right. Argh how am i going to learn how to ride again on a two day course.


Think you've already answered this one for yourself, get some training.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry, everyone rides like a cock on thier 50.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it change though, when i start riding a bigger bike?
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The power and way its delivered means that you dont have to cane it to make it go when you're on a bigger bike
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are these moments:

1. "whoa, didnt no that was going to happen. Could have been dangerous"

2. "Holy shit, im so lucky!"

I got the number 1 a few times when going round twistys Twisted Evil . Most scariest was not judging a left hand corner right and so very nearly hit an on coming white van. This was my 2nd or 3rd day riding, barly leaning (After passing test, had no experience before training)

About 2 weeks later, overtaking about 4-5 cars down the bypass for some clio to randomly swerve as i was going past Rolling Eyes Mirrors where about an inch apart Shocked . I was just about on the other side of the middle white line.

I put most of my 'mistakes' down to inexperience. Such as not making enough decent observations.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: How do I change my riding style! Reply with quote

Nick.H wrote:

Suppose my crash record isnt to bad, 4 crashes, 3 drops and been hit once in 11 months of riding basically every day. Nick


Riding skills? Is that what you call 4 crashes & 3 drops? I think you have been amazingly lucky so far to not end up crippled for life!

Stick to offroad riding and get a car for the road ......seriously, you are going to hurt some innocent person badly if you can't control your riding.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought when i had my 125 a 600 would be great just be able to comfortably sit at 70Mph but i find myself pushing the bike hard on a lot of roads. I found the best way to slow myself down was to put one hand on the tank or on my leg and cruise Laughing it works for me. It really all depends on what bike you go for, my bike is not the most sporty but do get tempted to rev it hard at times. If you want to slow yourself down, look at some of the pictures of high speed bike crashes.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pass your test then get yourself on some rideouts with some more experienced riders, tell them before hand that you are looking for tips, stop every so often and do a wee critique of the last stretch of road. Discuss what you did and why, if you noticed them doing something unexpected, ask why.

Chances are that the most important skill you are lacking is in planning ahead. You are probably not looking far enough ahead on the road to anticipate changes in road conditions and other drivers behaviour.

One thing to consider is doing a running commentary as you ride along, this is something they do with police drivers. Along the lines of: Corner coming up, roads wet, some gravel on the apex. Oncoming lorry, could be a car behind it so watch for an early overtake. Junction coming up on left with car approaching, has the guy seen me? Type of thing. Say it out loud in your helmet.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont ride like there is nothing to lose, ull learn that when you crash and it hurts REALLY bad.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: How do I change my riding style! Reply with quote

Nick.H wrote:
my crash record isnt to bad, 4 crashes, 3 drops and been hit once in 11 months of riding basically every day.


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I dont think that i always ride to my limits


You're riding quite some way beyond them, I'd say.

You need to plan further ahead than that patch of tarmac two feet in front of you.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

One thing to consider is doing a running commentary as you ride along, this is something they do with police drivers. Along the lines of Say it out loud in your helmet.


Totally agree with this, I often do it if I feel things are getting away from me. It concentrates your mind on to exactly what you are doing and why.

I have done a few rides with a friend of mine who is an advanced riding instructor and I just watch everything he does (when I can get close enough) and he will often ask us to lead and then give us a friendly critic of our ride.

Keep asking yourself questions - if you have a moment ask yourself "why?", the key is to spot anything that may be a danger and plan for it not to be - different line, speed, gear - whatever.

Save your money for good training, it'll be well worth it!!

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PostPosted: 18:21 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: How do I change my riding style! Reply with quote

Nick.H wrote:
Suppose my crash record isnt to bad, 4 crashes, 3 drops in 11 months of riding basically every day. Nick


Your crash record is crap, I have to say, and if you had this sort of record on a bigger bike you would probably be looking at wheelchairs for your next purchase.

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PostPosted: 18:27 - 03 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

wave2k wrote:
Dont ride like there is nothing to lose, ull learn that when you crash and it hurts REALLY bad.


Uhuh Sad

Sound advice there mate Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 04 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: How do I change my riding style! Reply with quote

skida wrote:
Nick.H wrote:
Suppose my crash record isnt to bad, 4 crashes, 3 drops in 11 months of riding basically every day. Nick


Your crash record is crap, I have to say, and if you had this sort of record on a bigger bike you would probably be looking at wheelchairs for your next purchase.

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Riding skills? Is that what you call 4 crashes & 3 drops? I think you have been amazingly lucky so far to not end up crippled for life!

Stick to offroad riding and get a car for the road ......seriously, you are going to hurt some innocent person badly if you can't control your riding.


I better explain these crashes/drops and why/how they happened.

All are down to inexperiance, which is something that i can only gain from riding.

1st. 1 day after my CBT, been riding for 5 hours, following my dad round some twisties on his RGV 250 and he starts to go for it. I misgudged a corner and not knowing how to lean/turn properly i binned it.

2nd. Riding around country roads, come around a right hand corner, swerve from hitting a 4x4 driving in the middle of the road. I hit wet tarmac/dirt and the bike lowsided.

3rd. Riding at about 25 mph down a stoney lane, apply brakes too hard and the front wheel goes underneath me.

4th. Approaching a junction, apply front and back brakes, the front wheel slips on black ice.

Dropped the bike once on a u-turn, once in soft ground (i caught it) and out side school when trying to start it, for some reason i took it off the stand then leant it over to try and put it on the stand, which wasnt there, i caught it though.

I dont really think that im that bad, ok im always hearing from these people that have never crashed in so many years of riding, but i bet you still have had those 'oh shit' moments, which could of very easily at that point turned into crashes.

Also an answer is never going to be get a car and stick to riding offroad, as im already committed. I brought my gs back in september, and im already getting excited about the trip my dad is planning to tour spain in october with my uncle.

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PostPosted: 18:28 - 04 Jan 2006    Post subject: Re: How do I change my riding style! Reply with quote

Nick.H wrote:


im always hearing from these people that have never crashed in so many years of riding, but i bet you still have had those 'oh shit' moments, which could of very easily at that point turned into crashes.


Nick


But they didnt turn into crashes because of the experiance that they have riding / controlling the machine.
If you want to ride fast the best way is often not to try to hard, concentrate on the road ahead and be smooth you will most likely be riding much faster.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 04 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay out of those crashes/drops I'd say only number 2 was unlucky and difficult to avoid. I'm only 14 and here in Spain the test is practically nothing, it is simply a basic theory and thats it. No thoughts as to how to ride or anything. You just need to do basically what stinkwheel said, expect everything that could happen, to happen. So when you're riding down the road and theres a car waiting to pull out, expect him to pull out in front of you. If you go round a blind bend expect there to be a car on the wrong side of the road, you'll then be better prepared for it if it does happen. Just take it easy and practise emergency stops, braking mid corner(careful with that though) etc. and you'll become better.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 04 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i beast my little 50 geared bike because i havnt got the power to do anything else and have to get my kick going round corners rather than going fast, i think it will change on a bigger bike with the ability to go faster, but at the moment im taking corners that my dad takes at 20 at 45 so just ride safe an we'll be on our way to bigger bikes soon enough
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 04 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said fast_tzr. Whenever anyone passes their test or gets a new bike there is a period of learning and gaining experience. If you push too hard during this period there is an increased risk of an accident.

I too recommend regular practising of emergency stops (where it is safe to do so) as every rider can benefit from learning how to brake safely. I bet not many actually do this (and I don't mean practising stoppies). If the first time you do an emergency stop (after your test) is when you need to, what chance do you think there is of pulling it off without pain or drama?
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always pushed my typhoon 50 / 70 100% of the time. When i got a 125 i only pushed it about 50% of the time i was on it.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

skida wrote:

I too recommend regular practising of emergency stops (where it is safe to do so) as every rider can benefit from learning how to brake safely. I bet not many actually do this (and I don't mean practising stoppies). If the first time you do an emergency stop (after your test) is when you need to, what chance do you think there is of pulling it off without pain or drama?


I dunno. I seem to have to do an emergency stop every time I'm out. They drive like idiots with their eyes shut here. Rolling Eyes

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braking mid corner(careful with that though) etc.


Or not. I wouldn't advise anything more than a very small amount of 'trail' braking with the rear brake mid corner to steady the machine. If you are going in too fast, lay the bike over further. You can get away with a certain amount of braking mid corner on a dirt bike/motard. Attempting it on any sort of road/sports bike is asking for trouble.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a severe case of the wobblies for the first few weeks then the odd off up to a year after starting to ride.

Its simply a case of get out and ride! Thats how you gain experience.
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PostPosted: 00:37 - 06 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
fast_tzr wrote:
braking mid corner(careful with that though) etc.


Or not. I wouldn't advise anything more than a very small amount of 'trail' braking with the rear brake mid corner to steady the machine. If you are going in too fast, lay the bike over further. You can get away with a certain amount of braking mid corner on a dirt bike/motard. Attempting it on any sort of road/sports bike is asking for trouble.



sooner or later though you're gonna find yourself in a situation where you have to brake mid corner. It can be done, if you slam the anchors on whilst its leant or far your gonna taste tarmac, but a small amount of braking can be done mid corner. Even a magazine(think it was bike) say its possible and you should practise it.


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PostPosted: 02:32 - 06 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you practiced it then? Bet the bike sat itself back up and made a beeline for the outside of the corner.
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