What do they know about bikes?

[kasandrich]

My Son was stopped by the Police and given a producer........fair enough I suppose, but while stopped, they queried if it was the right number plate for the bike, as "the age of the plate, does not tally, with the look of the age of the bike, the bike looks too old"..............cheeky feckers, its a 53 reg bike, and its still current, you can buy a new one now ..........what does your average plod know about bikes?.....This officer of the law, even managed to tick the wrong box saying no L plates, when he was displaying L plates.

I went straight up the Cop Shop, and got them to radio the officer in question and confirm he did have L plates wjilst it was fresh in his mind, that could've cost him 3 points, if I had not been on the ball and spotted it and got it sorted
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Richard

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[cc123]

Thats pretty shocking. They ain't all like that but there is a bunch of them that must have been bullied as kids and have this all high and mighty attitude where they think they can walk all over folk.

Why not put in a complaint aswell? Get the tosser a bollocking?
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[dainesefreak]

Sounds like misconduct to me, I'd say the officer needs a talking to from his boss at the least.

[instigator]

Christ richard, your son doesnt seem to have much luck with run ins with the old bill.



Well done on sorting it out though

[dodsi]

I dont want to sound like a complete A-hole but what was your son doing too attract police attention?

Please dont take that the wrong way as I try not to do anything to attract police attention.

[LustyLew]

[Ste]

Sounds like the cop could easily have been more annoying. I'd almost put money on there being something on your sons bike or in his riding that the police could have done him for. So I wouldn't be too worried about a producer as long as he does have all the necessary paperwork, they could have made allot more hassle for him if they'd wanted.

Oh yeah, be worth mentioning to your son that it'd be worth if similar thing happens again to check the producer form as the cop fills it out and gives it to him, with the L plates thing they could probably say that your son accepted the bit of paper like that at the road side and didn't disgree with it so they could well say that was him accepting the form and accepting/agreeing with its content.

[kasandrich]

[Ste]

[kasandrich]

[kasandrich]

[kasandrich]

How has this thread got side tracked?

The issue I was raising was that the officer stated that the bike looked too old for the reg plate, when the bike is still current and you could buy an identical one new, now.


......What does he know .....nothing clearly.

now maybe he was just fishing, to see how he reacted when put on the spot, as little 50cc moto-cross bikes are very nickable, and someone could have put a false plate on.

I live in the town centre, there are numerous cars who speed down my street regularly, and there is a bike, who regularly comes around the corner, lifts his front wheel into the air, and keeps it there almost half-way down the street. There is a cut through, which is no entry except busses, but LOADS of people come through there all the time. The Police, could and should, clean up there but nothing is done.


What is it with the karma machine, I had a Gold Blob earlier now its gone
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[cc123]

[Ste]

[paulodd]

Sorry to hear about Andy getting pulled Rich, its a bitch when you do get pulled up, and to tell the truth i probably wouldn't check the sheet till i got home too. Give my luck to Andy for tomorrow and let us know how he does.


Paul
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[kasandrich]

If we should all be able to double check a Police officers work, does that mean we are all trained, and qualified as Police officers?


Stephanie, sorry to refer to you as stephanie, if it is not your name, but I only have your username to go on......You could put your real name in your signature, if its a problem. Come on Captain Obvious

glad to hear we pretty much agree, other than that I do not feel that an intimdated 17 year old is in a position to check or question a Police oficers work.........glad I was there to sort it.
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[kasandrich]

[jonboy]

Not seen you around before stephanie, are you seeing anyone?

Regarding the L plates thing, yes it was poor by the police, but I think the important thing is that your son takes it as a learning point that people do make mistakes, deliberate or otherwise, and checks in future.

[cc123]

If you feel so strongly, go and complain! Seriously....

kasandrich, just from you posts you seem like you could cause a scene at your local cop-shop!

I got an apology from head of Strathclyde police when I was 15 for wrongly identified and thrown into the back of a meet-wagon, then questioned for 10mins about who I was and where I was going. (some trouble kicked of where I lived) There faces dropped when I told them my age.....

Yes, I suppose I am biased!
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[Ste]

[kasandrich]

[stinkwheel]

Well, I for one have a problem with them giving him a producer as there is no need for it. The police stopped him and checked his registration number. This tells them the following information:

1) If the vehicle is taxed.
2) Who it is registered to and therefore.
3) If they have a licence.
4) If there is an insurance policy listed for that vehicle.
5) If the vehicle is MOTed (as necessary)

Simply asking the person they have stopped their name, address and date of birth should be perfectly sufficient to ensure the bike is not stolen as it will tally with the database, the other information is then already established.

OK, the database may not be up to date for everyone they stop, but it will be for most people. Therefore the only good reason they have to give you a producer is to cause you inconvenience. To me this is not the polices job, if the bike checked out OK and he was not breaking any laws he should have been left to go about his business.

The police will justify their position by stating that "You must provide your driving licence etc. when required to by an officer of the law. It is an acceptable defence if this is not possible to produce it at a nominated police station within seven days" or words to that effect. To my mind, just because they have the power to do so does not mean they have to.

Back on-topic, you are correct. A lot of coppers know f-all about bikes. It can work the other way too, a mate of mine is regularly stopped on his BSA trials bike which has knobbly 'not for road use' tyres, a straight-through trials exhaust system (read loud!), a single filament 4" position lamp, a squeezy bulb horn and a number plate consisting of an inch stripe of black paint on the rear mudguard with the number tip-exed on. All of these points are illegal but the coppers never notice them.

Another mate of mine got a fine for not displaying L-plates or having a CBT certificate. He was given this fine notice by a copper who stopped him whilst he was riding his GSXR750/1100 with his wife on pillion! Needless to say the copper in question was given a sharp clout athwart the lughole by his sergeant when my mate took his paperwork in to the police station.

I have also been grilled extensivley as to the whereabouts of my CBT certificate on handing over my full licence when they stopped me on my Jawa 350.
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[paulodd]

[kasandrich]

Well said Stinweel,

In defence of the Police, I don't know how quick and efficient the database updates are, his previous Insurance expired midnight 30/12/2004, and the intention was that it was not to go back on the road, as he took his test 4/1/2005, (on a school bike), but unfortunately failed, (foot down on the u turn), so his old 'ped was reinstated as a temporary measure, the insurance was taken out 5/1/2005, but it was made clear it was temporary, with a view to moving him over to his ER5 when his test is passed. So he is on a cover note at the moment.

.....But the CBT was the other thing, they didn't ask for it, but we tok it along anyway.......just more evidence, that the officer didn't know what he was doing.

[sickpup]