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steveh
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: woops. Reply with quote

Well was in the shed, sorting some stuff out for the tip, and genral fannying about when i picked up a part of my old bike and went to throw it in the bin, as i looked up there was a tax disc holder, complete with tax and still in date? WTF i thought..... then i realised, id forgoten to put it back on my bike from about a month ago Shocked


Anyone else done anything like this, what would i of gotten if i got pulled over?

Cheers, Steve.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

nothing would have happened if u got pulled jus tell them oh was just on my way 2 renew it they might ask u 2 report 2 a police station within 7 days but probably not
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I bought my bike I didnt realise the tax disc wasnt attatched (I bunged it in a drawer with all the other docs).

About 3 months later I started wondering where abouts on the bike it was.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine fell off, so when I replaced the holder I just left the disc out as Im not going to pay for a replacement disc when it runs out soon anyway.

I would imagine they could check straight away that its still taxed, as it would be on the system.


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PostPosted: 10:21 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had mine nicked when my bike was about a week old. That was back in May. Have never displayed tax and never had any problems.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The#Doctor# wrote:
nothing would have happened if u got pulled jus tell them oh was just on my way 2 renew it they might ask u 2 report 2 a police station within 7 days but probably not

Dave-O wrote:
I would imagine they could check straight away that its still taxed, as it would be on the system.

Your both very wrong and are giving information tht can lead to people who take it to recieve big fines. Id assume from the way you write that you are pretty young Doctor which would tie in with the fact that you clearly dont have a clue what you are talking about.
It is an offence not to display a tax disc. I personaly know two people to have been charged and fines over £150 have been paid each time.

Ive had my tax disc stolen before, so to prevent it being knicked again I had my tax disc in my pocket. I was questioned about it by a copper who was looking at my bike while it was parked one time. He didnt care that I had it with me and was able to produce it. He told me it was an offence not to display it on my bike and reported me for it.

A friend had his stolen and didnt bother to get a replacement. He was stopped and told them it had ben stolen. Apparantly the fine he was given was increased because he didnt report the theft as well as having no disc to display.
The fact that the bikes were registered as taxed on the central database was not relevant, and in fact the fines we both recieved were BIGGER fines than we would have got than if the bikes were simply not taxed.

PLease dont give out misleading information that could land people in trouble. If someone wants to not display a tax disc thats thier choice, but for f*cks sake dont advise people that its OK to do and wont get in trouble for it.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Given the charge for a replacement tax disk, it might well be cheaper to just buy a new one.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:39 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to put mine back on for about 3 weeks after I fitted a new front fender, no problems.

I've got a tax disk holder that screws together with allen key bolts, so not real problems with it getting nicked easily.

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PostPosted: 15:14 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: tax Reply with quote

Straight from a coppers mouth when pulled over "It is no longer a police resposibility to check for vailid tax discs."
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I to have been told by a neighbour who is in the police (and was traffic police until they scrapped them round here) and he said that the police are no longer interested in a lack of tax disk. If they notice it then they will report it to the DVLA who can deal with it, but the police do not care.

If they are pulling people up then the chances are that they are just being used as hired hands by the DVLA (who themselves would not have the authority to pull people over).

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:53 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Re: tax Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
If they notice it then they will report it to the DVLA who can deal with it,

Which is what I said.
CBRnick wrote:
it doesnt have a visible tax disc, you will be reported for not displaying a tax disc.

And then you get fined by the dvla.

But thats splitting hairs, end result is still the same. You can and do get fined for not displaying a tax disc if you are reported for it. Ive been fined, as I said, for having the tax disc in my pocket and not on display on the bike. It was the dvla that fined me.
And I stand by my original comment which is the advice given that nothing will happen to you if you are stopped or noticed and your tax is not on the bike, is incorrect and misleading information.

My payment to the dvla last year for exactly this after it was reported for not displaying a tax disc by a policeman is testament to this.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Except that most people quite happily get away with not displaying it, and the police themselves no longer deal with it so most of the time will not give a damn.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:27 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except that the police DO report you if they see no tax displayed.
For the most part it may be true they may not go looking specificaly for tax offences, but make no mistake if you do get seen, you will get reported.

In Sept 04, my two year old CbR was parked in a marked bike parking bay just round the corner from Kingston College, Surrey.

I returned to it from the shopping centre as a pliceman was looking over the two rows of bikes.
As I was putting on my helmet he came over and asked if it was my bike and was I aware that there was no valid tax disc on view.

I told him it had been stolen in the past and to prevent it being stolen again I now caried it with me and produced it from my inside pocket in my leathers. He took it, looked at it and gave it back and told me it was an offence not to display it on my bike in a public place and I was being reported for not having a valid tax disc on display.
*note* The policeman did not nick me, he reported me to the dvla who fined me.

I was fined by the dvla and after a long conversation with a woman on the phone in the dvla office, I discovered that the reason the fine was so high was because my bike had been reported before for not displaying a tax disc (I wasnt aware of this before this phone call). As this was a second time of being reported and I still was not displaying the tax disc the previous offence was taken into consideration.

So regardless of what youve been told by the bloke next door, my own personal expeience and lighter wallet says that your information is wrong. My bike and all the bikes in the bike park had been checked

And I believe its wrong that people post up information saying that nothing will happen if you dont display a valid disc, when the fact is if you get reported for no disc on display, you will get fined for it even if its in your pocket.

The odds may indeed be in your favour that youll get away with it, but its wrong to advise people that nothing will happen.


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PostPosted: 23:33 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

the police dont nick you for tax they only report you for it afaik,
i have bin done twice over no tax in the past and got of both times by back dating and telling my local tax office as the police cant do you for no tax only for the fact your not displaying a tax disc.
i,m not saying this is the law only from my own experience.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz|n00by wrote:
the police dont nick you for tax they only report you for it .

Yes, Ive said that twice now. Its a civil offence. But they will report you if they see it.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 20 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once forgot to put my numberplate back on.

Went into town to get some bits, came home and noticed my numberplay still in the living room. Oops.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 21 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBRnick wrote:
So regardless of what youve been told by the bloke next door, my own personal expeience and lighter wallet says that your information is wrong.


Except that you are one of very few people to have been done for it. Plenty of people on here have been pulled over without displaying a tax disk and it has gone no further. Given that, and the what I have been told by a traffic copper I am still inclined to say that most of the time the police do not care.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:08 - 21 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is often a 'tax van' along the A4 from me.

I've been told they give £200 fines!

Easy money for them, though they do seem to need 15 police people and eight to ten vehicles to do this useful work Confused.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 21 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

There could well be a mobile greasy spoon there too, you never know! Laughing Just the place for them all to sit about whilst pretending to do proper work. Wink
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PostPosted: 00:33 - 21 Feb 2005    Post subject: Re: tax Reply with quote

CBRnick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Straight from a coppers mouth when pulled over "It is no longer a police resposibility to check for vailid tax discs."

Well thats bullshit my friend. Why post stuff like this. Maybe you just like misleading people.

So CBRnick, you're saying Darkside is a liar? Is that right?
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 21 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
There could well be a mobile greasy spoon there too, you never know! Laughing Just the place for them all to sit about whilst pretending to do proper work. Wink

Nah, dunno if it's still the case, but they always used to get free food at the Sainsburys down the road in the staff cafe (hmm, might explain the location then Smile ). Response timnes to sainsburys were much quicker than other places, not just because they were there half the time either.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 21 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

I to have been told by a neighbour who is in the police (and was traffic police until they scrapped them round here) and he said that the police are no longer interested in a lack of tax disk.


I got pulled over recently in an NSL because a traffic copper thought he saw my tax disk holder was empty Confused (which it wasn't).
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 21 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got stopped this morning in Hook after coming off the A3 at Ace of Spades. Got a bollocking for doing 35 in a 30 zone but was let off.
After chatting to me guess what the policeman asked me.
'Is your tax disc displayed on the bike?'
I pointed him to the tax disc holder on the nearside fork and he wrote down some of the information on it, and after a PNC check told me to go on my way and pay more attention to the speed limits.

And police dont check tax right ? Wrong.

Kickstart wrote:
Except that you are one of very few people to have been done for it.

Which is exactly the point. It may not happen often, but it DOES happen, so telling people it is safe to ride with no tax disc on display because nothing will happen is wrong.
The odds may be on your side, but people can and do get fined for it.
Its one thing to say you have an 80% chance of getting away with it, its another to say you WILL get away with it.
I dont understand your reluctance to give out correct information, rather than misleading information.

People come onto forums like this for advice, and someone who doesnt know different may take a tax disc off his bike after reading the wrong advice and find himself fined for it. It may be a small % of people this happens to, but that small % of people should know the risk if they want to ride with a tax disc in thier pocket and not on display.

jaffa wrote:
So CBRnick, you're saying Darkside is a liar? Is that right?

Im saying is its the fact that the police are not interested in tax discs is incorrect.

As already stated I was fined for not displaying a valid tax disc on my bike, even though it was in my pocket after my bike(and all the other bikes in the bike park by Kingston College, Surrey) was checked for tax by a policeman. He had in fact parked his car on the kerb by the bike park and stopped specificaly to check the bikes over.

Drive around South London on a bike a lot (particulaly Brixton area) and sooner or later you will drive through a roadside stop where the police pull over all bikes and vans and check them for tax, MOT and insurance.

So given the choice between believing :
A. a an anon person on a forum who says the police have no interest, or
B. believing the fact that I was fined after the police checked my parked bike for tax and believing the numerous times ive been stopped and had half an hour wasted while all bikes on the road are checked for tax. Dont forget the fact I was stopped this morning and the officer made a POINT of checking my tax disc and writing down the information on it.

Then I will believe B. as the anon person is clearly giving out incorrect information because personal experience, lighter wallet and time wasted at police road side stops says that police DO check tax.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 21 Feb 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBRnick wrote:
Its one thing to say you have an 80% chance of getting away with it, its another to say you WILL get away with it.
I dont understand your reluctance to give out correct information, rather than misleading information.


My point exactly. The correct infomation is that you are not that likely to be prosecuted for it, which is what I have been saying all along.

All the best

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