kickstart locked up! help!

[graeme]

scooter wouldnt start, so i decided to kick it one more time, but when i come to kick it agen, the kickstart was jammed at the top an wouldnt go down.

anyone have a clue what this could be? as i think that the piston might have seized or something.


thanx


graeme
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[Aikman666]

Has it been lying for any amount of time? Been exposed to tempratures? Need more details on the bike: 2stroke or 4 stroke engine? Sounds like you got yourself a seized piston mate
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[mchaggis]

I'd not say a siezed piston right off, they won't tend to sieze when its cold unless they're properly wedged in when hot. I'd suggest that you've got some jammed gear teeth in the mechanism somewhere, or perhaps something (collapsed bearing perhaps) stuck in it somewhere.

Just my inkling of an idea.

My brother had a problem a little like this with his Sym Jet 100. I think a valve in the oil pump had gone dodgy and was dribbling litres of oil into the crankcase, resulting in something similar to a fluid lock. I believe (him being him) he managed to overwhelm it with brute force, and several minutes kicking later, the thing finally started. With enough ragging the problem disappeared.
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[AcID ZeR0]

I'd put money on it not being seized. I've had this problem when I first got my moped. Sounds like the kickstart has got itself in a bit of a mess, Take the crank case of and you'll see if theres a problem then.
But it doesn't explain it not starting however it's been so cold out that might be the cause.

[speedfight]

STOP!!! I had the same problem last week as seen on post in this forum. I had to kick start my bike as the immobiliser had drained my battery, started first time then stopped. I then re kick started it a few time before starting. on the third fourth time my kick start jammed.

I then remove the clutch/variator casing to find that the variator flywheel had worn all the spines on my crankshaft. And the variator wheel had come off.

All I say is don’t keep try the kick-start. You could do more damage. I am not saying that this has happened to you either. Just check by removing the 10 bolts and see that the belt, clutch and vairiator are ok. Also there is a cone shaped gear that turns when you use the kick-start this could also be dislodged and may need replacing. It’s a 10min job to check but unfortunately it s cost me £480.00. to fix tas the crankshaft had to be replaced and with all the parts and labour it turned out to be an expensive kick-start. Let me know hoe you get on.

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Malossi Kevlarf Belt, Doppler Exhaust

[binge]

£480

I had a full top end AND bottom end rebuild and it was only £450. Was your crank shaft made of platinum or somthing

Anyway, Its probably just a jammed/dislodged tooth on the kickstart gear, like speedfight says ^ Its a 10 minute job, Whip the tranny caseing off and just check. I have to push my kickstart down a few teeth slowley before I kick hard as the first 3 teeth are screwed, and if I kick from the top it jams up...

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[speedfight]

Yes £480.00

The Cranksshaft was £175.00 and the new Variator Pulley was £36 Plus gaskets and oil seals then the rest was labour for taking engine out then fixing it and then putting enigne in. Live in the sticks a bit and found it hard for someone to beat the price. Must admit tho. I did tell a lie. The pricing was from a peugrot dealer and I did purchase the crankshaft myself as I found an assy one for £115 delivered. But in total the whole job was not cheap. I suppose if you did it yourself then your laughing as you save loadsa money on Labour. But I not that confident yet! Only had bike three month and costing me shit loads already. I suppose that the fun of scootering and biking.
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Polini Clutch, Malossi Multivar 2000 Variator
Malossi Kevlarf Belt, Doppler Exhaust

[graeme]

£480 f**k me that knocked me sick
the man i bought it off is a mechanic an sed he would let me off wit labour charges as he is a good friend

anyway, it broke the other day (bout 4 days ago) i posted an add on it, but it was because the electrics or sumfin, cos it came to a holt etc.... so it has been lying in my garage for bout 4 days wit this non starting problem, but it still kicked, then about 2 days ago i was kicking it for 1 last hope an then the kick start jammed so has bin lyin there for 2 days wit this kick problem.

i could still do wit some ideas of what it could be as i need to start saying my pennys! so n e ideas????

thanx lots

graeme
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[graeme]

oh yer.....


speedfight u think 3 months was bad n havin all that done

i have had mine for 2 months:

first time it broke the reeds smashed, needle in carb bent, needed new petrol tap an needed new piston an rings, an it taken him 1 month an a half to fix (partly because he got pulled over on it )

second time the plug blown

an now this happened, its hell!!!!!!!!
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[speedfight]

My god bad luck all a round! Like I say and "binge" did too 'He more experienced than me! Dont panic tho as you may not have the same problem - Binge and I recon you should fist take the case off (ten bolts thats all) just slide it off and check to see anything out of palce. Straigth away you will see if there any wrong or not right) Good starting point. Let me know if how you get on.
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Polini Clutch, Malossi Multivar 2000 Variator
Malossi Kevlarf Belt, Doppler Exhaust

[AcID ZeR0]

£480 holy sh!t, You could have brought a whole second hand engine for about a quater of that.
Not alot of help now I know but if graeme has the same problem he could check round the breakers for a new engine I saw one for £130.

[speedfight]

I feel Sick and All that money spent and I could have bought new’ish engine for less than that. Lesson learnt.

Still feel sick though and The only other point is that I did not mention is that I have recently had new cylinder and barrel fitted as that look like it was about to seize, so did not want to loose money that I had already invested on that. Is there anything else that may go wrong that cost big money?

Work has been done in the last month.
New Clutch Polini
New Variator Malossi
New Kevlar Belt
New Cylinder and Barrell
New Exhaust
Inc. Gaskets where required.

Would you consider this a engine rebuild

I do now have the most expensive speedfight on the road and I bet still only does 55mph. Not yet got the bike back. Somebody somewhere is having a laugh on my expense.

it never it poors
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Polini Clutch, Malossi Multivar 2000 Variator
Malossi Kevlarf Belt, Doppler Exhaust

[graeme]

ahhh thats unlucky, hell of a lot of work there

i will find out later today what is actuall wrong with it, but i have a feeling i will have to have all new cranks etc but if i do, that fella whos fixin it has the standard parts for this scooter (in other words a spare scooter)so he said he will do his best not to spend money

more problems to go to it tho...needs an mot an speedo doesnt work, and needs new speedo device, unless anybody knows how to take them apart???

an one more problem AGEN, does anybody know how to take the lower handlebar fairing/cowling off?? somebody said i have to take foot panels off an take the handlebars off???

a diagram or picture would b helpfull

thanx all


graeme
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[speedfight]

Speedo problem will be the speedo cable, apprently a common problem with speedfight. Cheap to fix
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Polini Clutch, Malossi Multivar 2000 Variator
Malossi Kevlarf Belt, Doppler Exhaust

[AcID ZeR0]

A common problem with any bike really.

[graeme]

got a new speedo cable, fitted it but never worked because rusty bits of the old one is stuck in the speedo device.

I threaded it through with the old one but fell out so i need to re route it, anybody know how i do this???
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[Scotsman37]

Have you tried a breaker for a replacement speedo device ?

[binge]

saying speedocables are common faults on speedfights...

Ive had 3 highly tuned speedfights, and never ever EVER had a speedo problem
And I doubt i will have one now because I dont have a speedo

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[graeme]

yer they wanted "25 for a second hand 1, with rust on aswell, so f**k that.

hasnt it got to have a speedo to pass its mot though?
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[Scotsman37]

What make & model is your scooter and I am sure some of us may find one or more possibly in better condition some where on the net ?

[graeme]

speedfight 50 2000 model
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[Scotsman37]

Here's a breaker mentioning that they are breaking your make of speedfight, but they don't describe what year it is.

https://www.allbikespares.co.uk/partslist.html


Peugeot has really got the oem spare parts market tied up for mopeds.

[graeme]

cheers , i will email then now and ask them
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[graeme]

just spoke to the fella fixing my scooter, he said these words:

"just finished stripping ya scooter and it looks like somethings seized but don't know what or how?"

i know he is a mecanic but can anyone give me some suggestions on what it could be??

thanx
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[Scotsman37]

It means your bill at the end is going to jump !

He will be charging for more time spent trying to find out what's causing the problem and maybe one or more parts are now needing replaced than what was originally anticipated which could cost you more !