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Major_Grooves
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Motorbike GPS Reply with quote

Have many people got GPS for their bikes?

I was looking to see if GPS was available on the Nokia 6230, but apparently it isn't.

What I have found is the TomTom Rider which is due for release this summer. It's designed for motorbikes, and has a wireless connection to a headset for voice instructions rather than having to look at the screen. They haven't declared the price for it yet, but after, yet again getting lost in central London, I think it is something I will invest in. Anybody know how much these systems usually cost?

Do any of the other GPS systems have wireless voice instructions?

edit/ reading the review bit more it says it is the first gps system with a bluetooth connection to a headset. Must Have! Drooling Cool

edit again/ some more searching and I find a site that says the expected price will be around £499 + VAT Shocked Sad
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've bought a Garmin Quest which I haven't yet fitted to the bike, but was bought mainly for that.

I had to buy a mount seperately, which I got from Ram Mounts for 25 quid. GPS unit itself was from and ebay shop for 350 notes.

Can't fault it so far in the car. Great feature which I know will be handy on the bike is things like pressing the search function for finding the nearest petrol station to your current locations when your reserve light comes on, or the nearest place for food etc.
The other handy bit is that one you've set you home place all you need to do is hold the find button for a couple of seconds and it will work the route home for you from wherever you are.

So, lazy day riding about all across the country and hit the button for the best way home at the end of it. No more getting lost (I hope, I haven't tested it yet!)

Planning to fit mine tomorrow at some point if I get chance. Will maybe then road test it to Silverstone for the next BCF trackday on Monday.

It's not wireless but I think you can get a helmet wired system to get the directions, but the screen is easy enough to glance at. Haven't tested how long the battery lasts for yet either, but expecting about 2-3 hours for continued use on the highest screen brightness setting. But I'll not be using it all the time so will have it switched off when not needed and just for finding places. (At least, that's my theory!)
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst I love gadgets, I really can't see myself getting a GPS. If I'm heading somewhere I haven't been before, I'll just print a page of the area from Multimap or Autoroute. Finding places to eat/fill up has never been a problem, and neither has finding a route home.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheShaggyDA wrote:
Whilst I love gadgets, I really can't see myself getting a GPS. If I'm heading somewhere I haven't been before, I'll just print a page of the area from Multimap or Autoroute. Finding places to eat/fill up has never been a problem, and neither has finding a route home.


I'm okay when it comes getting from one city to another or something, but it is town riding, esp London that gets me.

Saturday night I rode to my g/f's parents place for dinner. On the way there, I got lost and ended up waiting for her dad to turn up in the car to guide me home.

On the way home I got even more lost. Was supposed to be Bexley, Kent (SE London) to North Finchley (North London). I was aiming to go through the Blackwall tunnel, then round the North Circular. It's not the quickest or shortest route, but it should have, in theory been the easiest.

In the end my route was Bexley -> through the Blackwall Tunnel -> go up the road a bit, not sure if it's correct road, turn back, end up in dodgy abandoned area, take different road -> end up going past Embankment, Past Big Ben etc., nearly go into St James park, then back onto Embankment -> all the way along, then back again to Big Ben -> back along Embankment -> up the road to Picadilly circus where there is loads of traffic after midnight -> along to Tottenham Court Road -> somehow reach Camden -> then Hampstead -> then Golders Green -> then home.

That is very lost. I was shouting and swearing into my helmet through most of that.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:17 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an older GPS, which shows directional only.. more designed for sailing and/or mountaineering, than as a roadmap system.

But that, coupled with a tankbag with a map in can make for some interesting routes.

Just set the way point and head in that general directiojn, with the map as backup if you end up on some goatrack full of cowshit and potholes Smile
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been considering getting one of the Garmin extrex legends. Not to rely on for road navigation, but as a back-up so you know exactly where you are on a map.

I like the idea of stopping while lost in some foreign city and being able to see on a streetmap where I am and where I want to be.

Adam_P, did you buy one of the US spec models? If so I was wondering how restrictive it is having a US base map on there?

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PostPosted: 12:37 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:


Adam_P, did you buy one of the US spec models? If so I was wondering how restrictive it is having a US base map on there?

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No, european. It has the entire uk pre-loaded and comes with all of Europe on the CD which can be uploaded to it in a matter of minutes. You can sort out your routes on the PC first and then upload them to the Quest. So you have what route you want pre-loaded. (And the PC screen is easier to see and sort the route out on than the unit is!)
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

'GARMIN QUEST', proved to be one of the best and also waterproof, loads of back-up service and accessories etc.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit over the top?

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PostPosted: 13:52 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't fancy parking that in Croydon.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

although you've probably seen this thread it does contain some usefull info.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=41652

I also just ordered the mounting system from RAM for my quest and am expecting to have it to fit this weekend, I will post a pic to show how it looks Thumbs Up

Also garmin are supposed to be releasing a powered motorbike cradle for the quest which should work with RAM mounts and it has a headphone jack for instructions to be played through, although this isn't as good as a wireless link it should be OK.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I have a gps system. I've only used it once and it just attachs to my screen brace. Will be good for in the summer. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard the streetpilot 2 is the one to get, not too expensive but with everything you could want and more. Thats what the gs forum suggested.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grooves, I'll be joining you on getting gps for the bike this summer also. I think I've already settled on the garmin quest though, or a garmin product. Tomtom....I dunno, I guess I'll have to wait until it comes out so I can read reviews on it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your useing them for in town stuff the tom toms are the best at their job!

As for straping one to the front of the bike hmmm i'm not too sure, garmins while not being quite so user friendly (not because they are bad to use the tom toms are just very very good) are VERY well built, i've dropped mine quite hard onto concrete 4 times at least and its done no damage, they are designed to stand being dropped, being submerged in upto a metre of water, they are sturdy withpropper mounting gear they can quite happly be used off road if your that way inclined...

Personally i'll be sticking with the garmin stuff, £500 is a hell of allot of money to spend on navigation gear and seeing it on the pavement in a million pieces/destroyed from vibrations/wet e.t.c. would be a bit upseting!

Main bits of advice, get one with expandable memory, auto re-routeing and most importantly a colour screen! Thse are bits that my gps lack but its still very usefull, just haveing the destination as a waypoint means it might take a bit of finding but you WILL eventually (even if it means pulling over to check the map, you know where you are and what direction your going in)

https://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~noriba74/images/bike/tagps.jpg

Dis is mine, should be able to get them for £150 off e-bay and the mounting backet is £30... software is the git though, but if you know where to look its not a problem...
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
Grooves, I'll be joining you on getting gps for the bike this summer also. I think I've already settled on the garmin quest though, or a garmin product. Tomtom....I dunno, I guess I'll have to wait until it comes out so I can read reviews on it. Thumbs Up


I'm not usually one to be impressed by gadgets etc., but for this TomTom Rider thing I have got a serious case of "must have"! I read through all the reviews given to its car predecessor on Amazon.co.uk and they talk about it like it is the best thing since sliced bread. This one is going to be a vast improvement on that one, with postcode to postcode directions etc.

I like the idea of getting voice commands via bluetooth in the helmet and getting warnings about static speed cameras etc. Too cool! Cool
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 31 Mar 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's one of those gadgets you can live perfectly fine without (I usually write down instructions then put them in my clear pocket in my tank bag, but it's definetely a case of "ooh, something cool, I want it". Happens all the time to me with technology Laughing

Again, I will wait until it's been properly reviewed by a bike mag (which will be expected since its made for bikes) before making a decision on which one I would like. Either got to be the garmin quest, garmin gps 5 model or this new tomtom one. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 01 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who's had a GPS of one make or another now for several years, I wouldn't be without one on the bike.

It beats paper maps hands down, no messing around finding the right page and even in built-up areas I've had few reception problems.

Also in conjunction with https://www.geocaching.com/ it gives you somewhere to head for on a random rideout.

The features of the TomTom Rider certainly look cool... my current unit (a Garmin GPSMap76S) only has a greyscale display and no audio alerts... hmmm.... might upgrade.... Drooling
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 01 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been looking for quite a while, I think I might end up going for a mobile phone GPS system so I can have it in the car plus stick it in my pocket for the bike (listening to the directions).

https://www.tomtom.com/lib/img/mainproductbox/mobile5_uk.jpg

https://www.tomtom.com/products/product.php?ID=69&Language=1
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 01 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hustler wrote:
I think I might end up going for a mobile phone GPS system so I can have it in the car plus stick it in my pocket for the bike


I'd advise against the mobile phone solution. The mobile phone battery will only give you a limited operating time and the reception is questionable. Also the unit might not cope well with the vibration and bumps that you get on a bike.

Note too that GPS is line-of-sight reception. Sticking it in your pocket generally only works if you leave the aerial bit poking out.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 02 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

tgabber wrote:

I'd advise against the mobile phone solution. The mobile phone battery will only give you a limited operating time and the reception is questionable. Also the unit might not cope well with the vibration and bumps that you get on a bike.

Note too that GPS is line-of-sight reception. Sticking it in your pocket generally only works if you leave the aerial bit poking out.


Arrow Just stick it through a 12AC charger to the elecs for extra charge (same as in the car)
Arrow Its not hard drive based, so no more moving part than a phone. So vibrations shouldn't be an issue.
Arrow The phone can be anywhere as its bluetoothed to the GPS unit. The GPS unit must be in a suitable position.
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 03 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fitted my mount on Firday afternoon and took the bike across to Donington today for a road test and pleased to say mine works a treat on the bike.

No problem at all reading it while riding it along and seeing the mapping/reading the speed/direction etc. And I've even managed to mount it so that I can still see all of my normal clocks including the full rev range and speedo. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

Only downside??!!

I've found out that my speedo SERIOUSLY overeads! Thumbs Down

Like, when I'm supposedly doing 80mph, I'm actually doing 71.
And what I thought was a reasonably accurate 131.... turns out to be 117. Rolling Eyes Embarassed

So much for digital dash's being more accurate. I can see why Mr C tells everyone to get a GPS reading for speed! Laughing

Loads of summer days out ahead! Wink
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 03 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It overreadds that much!?!?!?!? I never thought it would be that bad!

Makes me question if your unit is working correctly!!

It also makes me want to delay purchasing the gps for my er5, so I dont find out that 118mph is actually 98mph Laughing

Although my er5 takes the speed reading off the front wheel, don't know if thats more accurate or not. Confused Question
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 03 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to hope it's reading accurately. It's not that far out on my car, but even that overeads. But then everything does pretty much.

But it does seem a long way out on the bike. But then, maybe all bike manufacturers are calibrating their speedo's to live up to the PR bullshit they spout at every new launch.

I'll have to fit it to my mate ZX-10R and see what that will really do. He's got a digi dash on that too.
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