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syris
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 05 Apr 2005    Post subject: Painting brakes Reply with quote

Just bought an 02 GPZ500S, I have noticed that the inner part of the front disc's (black parts) have rusted. Anyone have any tips/what to use to paint them?
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binge
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 05 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

High temperature paint. Thumbs Up
I got a tin from halfords to paint my drums blue on my mini... They were blue already, but it had gone black and shitty.

It was like £5 for the tin.

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syris
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 06 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about high temperature exhaust paint? I have a lot of it left from painting the exhaust?
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Git
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 06 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would do the trick I suspect, I do not think the centres get that hot anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 06 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

er.. don't paint them at all, painting the disc will restrict the discs ability to dissipate heat. the non contact surfaces of the disc will show surface corrosion, live with it.

Thats my advice anyway, but what do I know, I only work in the motor trade and have specialist training in brake systems. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 17:12 - 06 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

wire bush the rust off and leave them
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 06 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ agree's.
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syris
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 06 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers lol, I will leave it for now as I am only picking the bike up tomorrow night. I wasn't quite sure how safe it would be.

Although I painted the downpipes (well needed it) and the radiator cover Very Happy.
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PostPosted: 02:06 - 07 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently cleaning up the disks on my GPZ500s at this very moment!

Here's what I did:

    1: First sand/wire brush off the old paint and rust in the centre sections of the disk. Take your time here as a poor finish will only how itself later on
    2: Mask of the braking surface of the disk - i used electrical tape as it is easy to stretch it around bends
    3: Spray on a light coat of Zinc180 anti rust primer (available from automotive shops). Not too heavy a coat, the objective here is to provent the rust from recurring at a later date but at the same time not to raise the level of the final black coat to much.
    4: Let the primer dry and then spray on some black matt paint in several thin coats. Don't rush and try to cover the disk in black paint to quickly - it will take forever to dry and most likely run. The first coat should be a barely there 'dusting'. After a few light coats like that and it will soon start to turn 'black' with a nice even finish. I used high temp paint simply because i had a can lying around. It does give a nice finish as its a very thin paint but make sure you 'bake' the disk in the oven for around 30 seconds to ensure it fully hardens or it will never be a very durable finish to stone chips etc. (200+ C and support the disk by the edges to ensure the paint on the side facing down does not touching the baking tray!!)
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 07 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is it with people painting mechanical parts.

I can undertsand the desire to make something look nice but from a technical viewpoint it is totally pointless, such parts as brake discs will develop surface corrosion, it is extremely rare for this corrosion to cause a mechanical problem.

painting these parts can quite often also affect the way in which the part operates, an earlier post talked about painted brake drums on novas. this made me chuckle because many moons ago as a vauxhall technician we would replace brake drums on nova's, cavaliers and astra's on a regular basis because they were warped, and invariably yes these drums had been painted.

just get over it Mad
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 07 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can undertsand the desire to make something look nice but from a technical viewpoint it is totally pointless, such parts as brake discs will develop surface corrosion, it is extremely rare for this corrosion to cause a mechanical problem.


On The GPZ, we are not talking about the actual braking surface of the disk, just the inner sections so paint here won't do any harm[/b].

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painting these parts can quite often also affect the way in which the part operates


Oh, did I not mention that they are painted black as standard?? This paint soon starts to fall off as it developes stone chips etc. The exposed areas start to rust and granted that whilst it may not effect the braking performance, as the outer contact areas of the disk naturally stay clean, it doesn't look good and spoils the appearance of what may otherwise be a well cared for bike....

soooo thats why we are painting them... not to improve on anything the manufacturers did but simply to keep the bike looking as it did in the showroom Thumbs Up
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 07 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Retro-Man wrote:
I can undertsand the desire to make something look nice but from a technical viewpoint it is totally pointless, such parts as brake discs will develop surface corrosion, it is extremely rare for this corrosion to cause a mechanical problem.


Most bikes comes new with painted central sections of the disk, and a very large number are floating disks where there is barely any contact between the disk and the carrier so little heat is going to be transferred to the carrier. Only bikes I have had with disk brakes where the central section is not painted is the old '87 model Aprilia AF1 and they barely have a central section (~10% of the area of the disk is not swept).

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PostPosted: 15:52 - 07 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBQ black, allways sorts it out! Laughing
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syris
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 08 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting mixed messages here, should I leave it for the moment then or what?

P.S. Picked up the bike today and on second look I suppose, I could live with it...
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Git
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 08 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I have painted a good few disc carriers without problem..
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 08 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Git wrote:
That would do the trick I suspect, I do not think the centres get that hot anyway.


Git's right Thumbs Up Paint 'em whatever colour you like, they don't get very hot so it won't affect the efficiency of the brakes at all. Any paint will do within reason, we used to use Holts Gold Wheel spray on the calipers of our GS 1000's, Z1000's, CB900's etc. didn't make a damn bit of difference but it looked trick Very Happy
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syris
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 08 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, i'll get it cleaned up first, hasn't been cleaned much by previous owner Mad. I will spend Saturday on it and get back to you all with the results (photos). Cheers.
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