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PostPosted: 13:21 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: AA calls for motorway Speed limit to be increased to 80MPH Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4528507.stm

I think it is a good idea, but really it should be 80 on all motorways just not variable ones. Let's be honest not many people keep to 70MPH on a motorway, was going 70 the other day on the inside lane and getting overtaken by micra's.

Obviously dangerous stretches of motorway can be kept to 70MPH, but I think this is a sensible proposal. Lets hope it gets passed. Smile
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Re: AA calls for motorway Speed limit to be increased to 80M Reply with quote

Did this not include people getting done if they did over 80?

If we are to have permenant cameras active I would like to see the speed limit set at 90.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH I don’t care, this topic has been done to death and if it does go to 80 you will notice no difference apart from maybe less fines.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Re: AA calls for motorway Speed limit to be increased to 80M Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
...I think this is a sensible proposal. Lets hope it gets passed. Smile

Thumbs Up agree.

The argument is that as everyone on the motorway does 80mph anyhow this will just be a licence to to 90mph.

ACPO guidelines say speeding limit guide is +10%+2mph, so that's 79mph on a motorway anyhow (providing 'guidelines' followed Confused ).

Can't we have a system like other European countries where they have different limits at different times (day, night and when it's raining!).
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enought we were discussing motorway speed limits this weekend (when cruising down the M6 toll at about 95 in the car).

Personally, I don't think 80 is high enough, I think it should be 100, but with the proviso that it can be reduced according to conditions using the flashing orange signs (the variable limiters mentioned in the article?).

I would then like to see all the police who would normally be deployed to catch people speeding moved & trained to be spotting & stopping the dangerous drivers who actually cause the accidents, tailgaters, under-takers, weavers, swervers etc.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a 70 limit is fine, however i think ameras should only be used to catch out the most serious offenders (100mph+).
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Re: AA calls for motorway Speed limit to be increased to 80M Reply with quote

map wrote:
Can't we have a system like other European countries where they have different limits at different times (day, night and when it's raining!).


They have that in France for when it's raining, the speed limit drops. I thought it was a good idea until I saw how no-one stuck to it Rolling Eyes

Still, they have more realistic speed limits in Europe... 84mph in France, 94mph(ish) in Italy etc.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:

Personally, I don't think 80 is high enough, I think it should be 100, but with the proviso that it can be reduced according to conditions using the flashing orange signs (the variable limiters mentioned in the article?).

The normal road side flashing signs are advisory only I believe; though the police could do you for driving with out due car if you ignored them and there was a reason to slow down.

There is a variable speed limit around the M25 (and other places maybe?) which has more regular signs mounted above each lanes, with Gatsos behind some of the signs.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe those Gatso's are only armed if the orange number has a red circle around it to make the speed limit legal.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why have a limit at all? If you removed the speed restrictions and reinforced the need for proper lane discipline through regular training/testing, motorways driving would be far less dangerous even at speed.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because british people are often crap and will abuse the freedoms they are given?

I would like to see such a thing; however I could also see a lot of Nova's embeded in barriers and other cars as they try and get that extra few mph out of their car with a home made NOS kit Confused.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

one point to remember is how bad and down right dangerous the majority of cars were when the speed limit was introduced, while peoples reaction time may not have improved the cars are substantialy better
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Re: AA calls for motorway Speed limit to be increased to 80M Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
map wrote:
Can't we have a system like other European countries where they have different limits at different times (day, night and when it's raining!).


They have that in France for when it's raining, the speed limit drops. I thought it was a good idea until I saw how no-one stuck to it Rolling Eyes

Still, they have more realistic speed limits in Europe... 84mph in France, 94mph(ish) in Italy etc.


the laws do seem to be ignored more in france, but if they do have cuase to stop you, they throw the book at you.;.

just the chances of getting stopped are relatively slim.

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PostPosted: 14:02 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason it wont ever happen is people do 80 while the limit is 70, if the limit is 80 they will do 90, this is straight from traffic police at a rospa meeting..

All modern cars should be more than capable of driveing perfectly well at these speeds, lorrys on the other hand will generally only be traveling at 60ish so it widens the gap again between the 90mph traffic and the 60mph traffic..

Maybe an 80mph lane would make sense? or varyable limit dependant on conditions (flashed up on motorway light boards like the fog warnings e.t.c.)

What would be nice is the police being able to concentrate on unlicenced/insures/mot'ed drivers, because these are the really dangerous drivers on the road and in allot of cases criminals anyway (ignoreing the road offences) all this petty speeding attention is just pishing drivers off and makeing police resented more and more all the time.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

id say 70 in the left hand lane, 80 in the middle and 90 in the right hand lane.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

bish777 wrote:
id say 70 in the left hand lane, 80 in the middle and 90 in the right hand lane.

You what? Lane discipline is bad as it is.

How would you monitor such a thing? Confused
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I could also see a lot of Nova's embeded in barriers
That I have no problem with, as long as the clowns only wipe themselves out. Hitting other vehicles may be an issue however Confused

In terms of speedlimits by lane, why? Contrary to popular belief it's not the "slow" lane and "fast" lane, the lanes are for overtaking maneuvers. It's the cretins who decide because they're doing 80 they'll sit in the middle lane regardless that cause half the tailbacks.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
bish777 wrote:
id say 70 in the left hand lane, 80 in the middle and 90 in the right hand lane.

You what? Lane discipline is bad as it is.

How would you monitor such a thing? Confused


Agreed. Travel to France and the French use their lanes properly. Come back over here and you're stuck with middle-laners that can't handle using the left lane and make journeys harder for the rest of us. Idiots.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

alliamc wrote:
Come back over here and you're stuck with middle-laners that can't handle using the left lane and make journeys harder for the rest of us.


In the past this has annoyed me.

Having an asthamatic 2 tonne van that has serious troubles accelerating I can see another point of view.

I would be happy to pull over to the left hand lane if I was let out again when I caught up with that truck doing 45mph. However I'm not. Which means I'm stuck doing 45mph, now this means I need a lot bigger gap to pull out in so that the person behind isn't impeded. (I should point out that this is usually doing 70 or at least 60mph and accelerating slowly)
So it ends up that I stick in the middle lane when I could pull over; because it can cause me a lot of time if I keep doing it. Also it's not exactly nice jumping about lanes in a van with vibrating mirrors.

What does annoy me for the stupidity is people that sit up my arse in the middle lane when the outside lane is empty. They then accelerate hard when I pull in to the left lane. Why - the outside lane is actually considered an 'overtaking' lane Rolling Eyes.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will make bugger all difference to me anyway and a lot of other people tbh. Don't ever stick to the limit on the M ways unless there are police or scameras about. Cruising speed is about 100mph so unless they jack the limit right up then no real change.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they should just leave it, even though the limit is 70 you can get away with 85 or a bit more, though this seems to be changing seeing as they have shoved cameras on large stretches of some motorways.

If they increased the limit I bet they would enforce it more and crack down on speeders, which means most people would stick to the limit ending up in cars bunching up (which is of course not good on a motorway) I would prefer them just to stay leniant and rule out the use of cameras and speed traps, instead using the police to catch people who are driving like tossers.

Like others have said, most people go 80mph anyway.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

a 70 limit sucks

80 mph better

if there was a 90, crap cars wouldnt get there, but they would still try (nova 1.0) and hold up all traffic cos there in outside lane

which they do anyway, revin the bollocks off at 72.8 mph
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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M ways unless there are police or scameras about. Cruising speed is about 100mph so unless they jack the limit right up then no real change.

I believe the suggestion was that they would have cameras to enforce these higher limits.


One of my pet hates is people driving too close to each other.
This causes major tailbacks and sometimes accidents; one person brakes slightly, the person up their arse brakes a bit harder just incase. The person behind has to brake quite hard, which they can do thanks to their ABS, etc etc.

Not does this delay everyone and making driving on motorways more dangerous, but these effects in total cost the country millions of pounds a year.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder who actually thought about the change, was it really the AA? Or could it of been some bent top bod working in conjunction with another organisation?

From what I can make out it wouldn't surprise me if it was a con to make the cameras permanently live thus gain revenue.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 09 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

zero wrote:
The reason it wont ever happen is people do 80 while the limit is 70, if the limit is 80 they will do 90, this is straight from traffic police at a rospa meeting..


Also known to be incorrect. Numerous examples of roads where the speed limit has been increased yet the average speed of vehicles has not changed, or even gone down. German motorway speeds on the unrestricted sections are generally not much different to the UK ones.

zero wrote:
All modern cars should be more than capable of driveing perfectly well at these speeds, lorrys on the other hand will generally only be traveling at 60ish so it widens the gap again between the 90mph traffic and the 60mph traffic..


The lorries are quite capable of going rather quicker than the 56mph they are limited to. There is also anecdotal evidence that when speed limiters were introduced (at 56mph, when the speed limit for them is 60mph) the lorry accident rate went up. Driving on the limiter is not good for concentration.

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