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PostPosted: 21:28 - 13 May 2005    Post subject: Speeding ticket or not?? Reply with quote

Hi all,

Riding down a dual carriageway today and the speed limit was 50 and I was going about 60 - 65mph, when suddenly I spot a mobile speed camera. I dont think I managed to break in time but I thought well I dont have plates on the front so they cant get me. But then someone mentioned he could of spun the camera round and got me from the back. Has anyone ever heard of this.

Ok I shouldnt of been speeding (hands up) but I am really worried now!!

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PostPosted: 21:41 - 13 May 2005    Post subject: Re: Speeding ticket or not?? Reply with quote

The camera to take pictures is just to prove who the driver is technically I believe. The word of a policeman that the radar gun said that should be enough.

However whether they would bother is another matter.

Was it a handheld or in a van?
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 13 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its a van facing you then you are ok. I was speeding infront of one and never got a NIP. Radar gun i did get caught.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 13 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

markcatate wrote:
If its a van facing you then you are ok. I was speeding infront of one and never got a NIP.


Doesn't mean he hasn't because you didn't.

They are less likely to bother to turn around and take his plate, but still may do.

14days to worry for the NIP to come through Confused.
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PostPosted: 03:29 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got flashed by a gatso today. Though, it's facing the front of the bike. In theory, they can't get me, but I await two weeks Friday to be sure. Sad

There's two speed cameras, within 50 meters of each other.

Anyone tell me that it's not possible to be done whilst going towards a gatso?
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PostPosted: 03:34 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not possible to be done by a gatso when it flashes you from the front. It means the camers is not loaded with film.

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PostPosted: 09:25 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

VTR SP1 wrote:
It is not possible to be done by a gatso when it flashes you from the front. It means the camers is not loaded with film.


Erm, I'm presuming he's actually talking about a TruVelo, rather than a Gatso.

Never heard og actual Gatsos facing forward intenionally.
Was this camera on your side of the road?
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Never heard og actual Gatsos facing forward intenionally.
Was this camera on your side of the road?


They often have them forward facing on dual carraigeways with both sides of the road marked up. Not sure that they are actually homologated for taking forward facing speed readings, so this might just be the camera operators indulging in a bit of terrorism.

With a mobile camera they do not need a picture from behind. They can just write down your regsitration if it is a copper manning it.

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PostPosted: 11:32 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

They often have them forward facing on dual carraigeways with both sides of the road marked up. Not sure that they are actually homologated for taking forward facing speed readings, so this might just be the camera operators indulging in a bit of terrorism.


Around here I've only ever seen it with markings on the road on opposite sides of the camera; so they turn the camera around 180 degrees to do the otheside. Also the one's I've seen have had the camera pointing towards one side specifically.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure it's called a Gatso. The TruVelo is a slightly smaller one, taller, with two circle holes, and one of them's red right? And if I remember correctly, they don't flash.

https://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:Dvb19f6KBWIJ:www.nationalsafetycameras.co.uk/nscl/hints/fixed_cameras/gatso%2520camera%2520b.jpg
Gato, right? Wouldn't the first time I've learn something to discover it's wrong.

Anyway, I could see the face of the camera, and it was on the opposite side of the road (the right side), but still markings on my side (left side)?
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G

Try hitting a gatso at speed when it's on the oppisite carrageway facing you. If it flashes it has not got a camera/film inside it and if it don't flash it's live.
It's a good way to find out if your gonna get done after youve been flashed from behind. Just turn round and hit it at speed.

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PostPosted: 15:14 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a Gatso.

As far as I know a Gatso can only 'do' you if you go past on the side of the road it is based. In the same manner they are not allowed to take radar reading from a mobile unit accross lanes; I believe because traffic coming the other way that could be inbetween can 'confuse' it.

VTR SP1 wrote:

Try hitting a gatso at speed when it's on the oppisite carrageway facing you. If it flashes it has not got a camera/film inside it and if it don't flash it's live.

Do you have reasons for this? Not trying to deny it as I really don't know enough about such things, just wondering why that was the case.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was a van, the chances of spinning a camera round and pointing it through the front windscreen is very unlikely but it still possible.

Gatso's can now face forward for better driver identity and round here some cameras are double facing.

As stated above the only thing to do it wait 14 days.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon wrote:
If it was a van, the chances of spinning a camera round and pointing it through the front windscreen is very unlikely but it still possible.


They don't have to, just glance over their shoulder and write down what they think the registration plate was.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:44 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lines on the opposite side of the road are to catch you if you overtake someone or try driving on the other side of the road to avoid detection

There are forward facing cameras, these are truvelos, they do not flash as they produce an infra red beam.

https://www.ukspeedcameras.co.uk/truvelocamera.jpg
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatso are the fixed boxes that take a picture from behind you. If 'live' it will flash twice in quick succesion. When developed, the operator then measures how many lines you have crossed inbetween the two pictures being taken. It is is more than a certain distance you should recieve a NIP within 14 days.

Truvelo is the forward facing camera system. Im not so hot on these but I do understand they do not need to flash to take a picture.

The third and most inaccurate system is the radar gun. this is operated by an officer. They simply point and click. If the radar shows you are speeding, the officer will write down your registration and the make and model of your vehicle. Again an NIP should be sent.


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PostPosted: 15:06 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

truvelo use infrared instead of a flash, but the IR only to take the picture as they use sensing equipment embedded in the road to measure your speed, not a radar or other radio-wave based technology so do-not require two photos being taken. (you can see the marks where the road has been modified) For this only one photo is required, as it's a physical measurement.. not a radar based one that can be disputed. They do have to be calibrated tho.

Gatso uses radar to sense the speed, and takes two photographs to demonstrate it, as the distance between the known markers can be measured to calculate speed.

English law does not require two sources of corroborating evidence, so you can be done on a single picture or the say-so of a single bobby. IN scotland, you require two pieces of mutually supporting evidence.

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PostPosted: 15:07 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG you were speeding!! Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
They don't have to, just glance over their shoulder and write down what they think the registration plate was.

All the best

Keith


Yes I am familiar with how it works and how the Police Officer can simply turn round and write down the VRM but that leaves one small problem - the only evidence being that from the statement offered by the PC.

When I have been out with speed enforcement officers they always go for photographic evidence and never on the basis that "I saw you speeding"
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

FZR6 wrote:
Gatso are the fixed boxes that take a picture from behind you. If 'live' it will flash twice in quick succesion. When developed, the operator then measures how many lines you have crossed inbetween the two pictures being taken. It is is more than a certain distance you should recieve a NIP within 14 days.


Hi

The radar is what triggers the reading, and which gives the reading. They are meant to check the photos to double check the speed reading, not that they bother all the time.

All the best

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