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illusion · Scooby Slapper Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Karma :

Hey all,

As I live in flats, I have to park my motorbike in our car parking space in front of my girlfriends car. I don't have anything to lock it to so if someone is going to want to nick it they won't have much trouble. Currently I put a cover over it and I have a meaty Oxford chain going through the front wheel/disc. Now, it's not the most nickable bike (GS500 Smile

) but i'm still a bit paranoid it's going to get nicked. Could anyone suggest some more security I could put on? Unfortunately I can't drill an anchor in to the ground as we don't own the parking space.

Cheers, Dan

Itchy · Super Spammer Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Karma :

The concrete block solution , learned from a mate who used to live in Hong Kong.

Get 2 ground anchors £15 each those that you cement into the ground , buy a couple of those cheapo plastic boxes really big ones used for general storage the cheaper the better as you will destroy them £1.50 each. ,

Now get a mate with a car , and go round to a builders yard or a ready mix concrete place (sometimes they bring it round to you)
and fill the boxes with concrete and put the ground anchors into the drying concrete , and leave it for a day or so hack off the plastic boxes and you have two solid blocks of concrete depending on how big you made them , which you can secure your bike to , if you make some steel reinforced concrete even better... £2 for the concrete £3 for some old steel £10 for a couple pints for an engineering student to build the reinforcement for you

Do not make gigantic cubic metre blocks as you will not be able to move them.

reinforced = better as a bloke with a big hammer can't hit it and crack it easily.

now buy yourself a hand truck , those L shaped things with two wheels that people who move lots of stuff have , and you can bring them into the house when not used and out when you park them £20 , buy one depending on the size and weight of the blocks you want to use.

Since you also have a car its even better make L shaped blocks with simple moulds and park the car over the bits that stick out with the wheels on the concrete slats ,

which serves as an OK hash of a ground anchor which is pretty cheap , however the weakness moved away from a bloke with a van lifting it away into the back of his van to the strength of your chain , but since it is your home immobile security you can use gigantic ship chains to lock it up.

BUT before you even consider this , calculate the weights involved and where you will store the blocks if asked to move them when not in use ,

Groove · World Chat Champion Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Karma :

someones done this before... Thumbs Up

ghostgirl · Nova Slayer Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Karma :

Yep ground anchors,chains and bucket of concrete Thumbs Up

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Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

If you don't want to down the concrete route, water is heavy too.

biggerjohn · Spanner Monkey Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Karma :

Fit an alarm as all the physical locks anchors and the like can be over come all to easily but if you bike screams like a stuck pig the chances are the thief’s will just move one to a easer bike to nick one that not calling attention to them.

Sad thing is with just about any type of security is it can all be got around you are just trying to make it more hassle than it is worth.

map · Mr Calendar Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Karma :

I've heard good things on BCF about the PageAlert pager alarm (it's just a dedicated radio pager, it you want an alarm that's another item).

They're from M&P for around £40 click here (BTW someone on eBay had them for the same price).

Thinking of adding a PageAlert myself. Already have the Cheetah alarm already fitted (see eBay).

HTH Thumbs Up

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gimpy limp · Nearly there... Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Karma :

it'll buckle them trolley jacks that much weight, my manta engine bucklet the wheels of my trolley jack so did the bike engine. Granted they were only 20 quid trolley jacks. personally I don't think that'll make any difference, nice big bolt/chain cutter and they'll have it off like that wether it's connected to an elephant or jsut your wheels.

Can them thngs be lifted into a van or something by a group of 4/5?
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ali-b · Trackday Trickster Joined: 19 May 2005 Karma :

I live in flats too, so not quite owning the parking space. A management company (normally you pay them a sum each year/month for shared maintenance) should exist to help you deal with this, and you can normally ask them for permission to install a ground anchor. They may ask you to provide photos of the ground anchor and describe how it will be installed, and may also get you to put the anchor in a different spot in the carpark and at the very worst they'll say no...but its always worth an ask...

I was quite lucky in that my space is next to earth rather than concrete, so I used an auger to drill down about 6 feet for the main attachment, then twice from the surface to about 3 feet at a 45 degree angle, meeting up with the centre of the 6 foot hole to provide a kind of Y shape anchor (so it wasn't just a cylinder of concrete), each hole was about 8 inches or so in diameter. Poured concrete into the holes, dropped a chain down the centre hole, and attached the anchor to the chain...the 2 outer holes were covered over with earth again, so you wouldn't even know they were there...and in fact grass has regrown over them...

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dainesefreak · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Apr 2003 Karma :

Something else I've just done too is put a mobile on my bike on a pay as you go SIM and joined www.followus.co.uk. You only buy credits, no subscription and it seems to work quite well. We're not talking pin point accuracy here but it does give you enough info to get a search in the right place going.

bish777 · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Karma :

I find the best thing to do is have a front disc lock on-a chain is too vulnerable. If youve got a disc rear brake see if a disc lock will fit the back too.

Put the chain through the rear wheel, between the torque arm, chain and swingarm so that very little is exposed.

AND ALWAYS PUT THE STEERING LOCK ON!
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

What about a second bike?

Find a pretty mashed up or old bike with mechanical problems and use it as a ground anchor; quite a bit of hassle to try and get one bike into a van when it's attached to another bike through the frame.

illusion · Scooby Slapper Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Karma :

Cheers guys. I had thought about the whole concrete block idea and it would be a good deterent. Only thing is the management company are a bit funny about things like that. I don't think were even supposed to have 2 vehicles parked in one space! But I reckon I will get an alarm, as I would hear it straight away because the bike is parked near our windows. Also that remote pager alarm sounds a good idea, will have a look at that. Anyone had any experience of this Oxford Disc lock alarms? Or am I better off going for a proper alarm? And if so, any recommendations?

Cheers,

Dan

0ni · World Chat Champion Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Karma :

If someone had a really wicked sense of humour you could to the concrete block idea with something like a plant pot, leaving some top soil to disguise it. Try and see someone move it then Wink

If Carlsberg made plant pots..
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Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

Another thought... is there anyone else at your flats who has a bike?

I went for the water butt filled with concrete idea and shared it with another biker. There are now three bikes attached to it with room for another... pretty efficient use of parking spaces. Plus we chose the worst space for getting a car into, so it's no big loss to anyone on 4 wheels anyway.

Milo · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Feb 2002 Karma :

I lock my bike around a friend's front car tyre when parking there.
Means they can move if need be and lifting the front of a car/releasing handbrake puts another obstacle in their way.
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quik_d · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Karma :

you would think a loud alarm would deter them, but its not the case nowdays as noones pays attention to them! i had my arrow silencer UNBOLTED from my bike in the student car park at lunchtime-ish with the alarm going off, (and i know it went off cos it had some memory thing). Public place, really loud alarm in their ear and still they took it! chav basta**ds!!! it was never as good afterwards with different silencer on it Crying or Very sad

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illusion · Scooby Slapper Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Karma :

king756 · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 23 May 2005 Karma :

A mate showed me a brilliant picture of a security device some guy had knocked up at the doncaster bikeshow.

It appeard to be a bar or wide metal strap (couldn't tell clearly from the pic) with a chain attached to each end. Attached to the bar/strap where about 2" spikes running accross it.

The bar/strap was placed on the riders seat, with the chain running under it so it could not be be removed.

A very clever idea i think, it adds to the list of deteriants to put thieves off, plus it stops kids sitting and playing on your bike.

map · Mr Calendar Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Karma :

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illusion · Scooby Slapper Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Karma :

Thanks. I think I might go for one of those eBay Cheetah alarms. I'm not too bothered about making insurance cheaper as I have a pretty cheap quote as it is! Thumbs Up

And it's mainly so I can hear it if anyone tampers with it when it's outside my flat.

Is it hard to fit one of those? Bearing in mind I am a mechanical n00b Very Happy

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Liverpoolrobb... · Crazy Courier Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Karma :

get a mini wireles CCTV camera on the go and hook it up to a special VCR and make sure your TPFT. or see if there is any garges you can rent near you and make sure u can slap a big fat ground achor there and CCTV.

basically alarmas chains cctv is the way forward