If everyone refused to pay the UK speed camera fine?

[stivh]

As we apparently live in a democracy I was wondering if an Action Group (Non Political) was set up consisting of all those against the trend towards mass speed camera locations /coverage ......and

With the main aim of ensuring that speed cameras were utalised to prevent accidents in known high profile accident black spots and where every driver that is caught is investigated fully for fitness to drive, insurance and vehicle documentation and the vehicles condition all within two miles and 10 minutes of the offence.
Also prior to the use of a static or mobile speed camera the road surface and road signs are clearly and visibly displayed showing sensible and appropriate road speeds and there is legal documentation for this in evidence with the local council/authority.

Starting the Group by convincing every person caught on a speed camera to refuse to pay a single penny in fines and by pleading not guilty through out the whole case. How? - by setting a date in the near future and publicising it.

Also that any person interested or any driver prosecuted payed instead a £5.00 membership fee and an additional £15.00 into a fighting fund ----- that's £20.00 each per year. With just a numbered receipt as membership and..........

The Action Group could then act as their council to support them and possibly fund them and change the use of these cameras in the UK. If a few have to be sacrificial lambs then the group ensures that they are fully supported.

Plus petition for all funds from fines to be directed to improve road surface and conditions, sensible traffic control and funding for those unfortunate souls or their families injured through no fault of their own due to RTA's (based on a set limited structure)

Just think if 12000,000 people joined that would equate to one hell of a fund to start with (£240000,000.00???) Plus we use our own advisors on set fees as council etc.

The law courts and fines offices would soon become jammed up with paperwork and the road using public would start to take control of the roads and their use and funding again. We could also stop big brother from taking control of a our leisure and work environment.

I'm sure we could formulate a structure here and link it to other forums and all those mags out there promoting our roads.

Waddaya Fink?
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[stinkwheel]

I think no matter what, they will still get people who send in the money and will consider it worthwhile. If it gets too expensive to chase up they will just stop doing so.

After all, loads of people have sent in fines for not declaring SORN, when did you last hear of anyone actually going to court for this offence?
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[stivh]

I actually have refused a sorn fine and won I admit it was in the early days but they still tried to go all the way and considering the crap service you get from the DVLA when applying I would fight every one.
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[Gracie Jones]

If 12 million people joined any organisation, it would be the most powerful UK lobby group in history.

[feef]

12000,000 people???

with an estimated uk population of 60,441,457 (census figures) you're looking for roughly 1 in 5 to join? you'll be lucky.

when we have on little more than a 60% turnout for the elections, do you really think THAT many people would be interested in a group that MIGHT help them IF they get caught speeding.

Don't get me wrong.. you idea is good in principle.. but the REAL number of people that gives a shit is far fewer than 12 million, and of those that DO give a shit, I doubt enough wouold be interesrted in joining

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[Kickstart]

Hi

There is already the ABD as a drivers rights association.

Problem is that 99% of the population are prepared to be ripped off by the scamera partnerships just to get a quiet life.

Suspect you would struggle to get 1200 members.

Furthermore the courts (who are partners in the scamera partnerships, so far from independent) would just up the fines and costs. Few people would be happy getting hit for £1000 fines / costs rather than paying a £60 fixed penalty, and that is the kind of technique that is used to stop people appealing.

All the best

Keith
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[ghostgirl]

Good idea in theory! But firstly would you be prepared to go to prison? The sacrificial lamb etc?

Secondly if your talking bike minority we wouldnt stand a chance!
Legal fees ect which membership wouldnt cover.

Everybody together done for speeding is a different matter. However,how many (none bike riders) would you reckon would support us lot and cry at the mere thought of defending us bike folk for speeding? (with thier hard earned cash?) Erm.......None is my guess.

And somehow I reckon government would have something to say and lobby about
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[stivh]

I know the number was just pulled from the air but how many have joined the AA or RAC or have to fill up with Fuel for example, then there is the members club or those that buy a motor magazine or visit a vehicle related event or the companies dealing with all the paperwork.

At the end of the day if there was a hint of a public discussion some where and word got around and you had a choice £20.00 and a part of a public voice and possibly a choice...... or a fine.
What would you do?

We all know that voteing for a self serving politician won't work or really change that much, so that's why we don't vote.....
But to give them a bloody nose .....well that's a different issue......
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[stivh]

Bikers are also car drivers, lorry drivers, Bus drivers etc. Infact I personally believe all drivers should learn to ride a bike before they get their car licence but that's a another forum!!!

This is directed at all and any Drivers.
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[ghostgirl]

You have only got to think we cant have dark visors,race cans,black double bubble,small number plates and the list goes on! Bad publicity in general regarding riders/accidents etc. So what makes us think we could get support from car drivers?

First and foremost are the safty issues and the negative attitudes to bikes in general
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[stivh]

Keith

Exactly my point but with a new Group which has the potential to become massive and focused on a very specific issue it could include and encompass all those fragmented groups with their own rider/driver/passenger issues.

At the end of the day this one is about speed on our roads which at present are under funded, over taxed and the cash cow for all government's funding issues.

This is not about NOT paying it's about improving the space that we use to get from A to B safely and quickly.

The method of getting this issue across is to act as suggested.

I am not suggesting we all go out there and speed for the hell of it and then argue our corner.

I just would like to contest this present cause and effect allegation with speed and death. I just don't see it?
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