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gsxr600menace
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Visor Insert Question Reply with quote

I am wanting a black visor insert for my AGV K2 helmet and was wondering if anyone has any experience of these inserts and do they work and are they easy to fit/remove ?
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless dealers are prepared to risk a big fine and destruction of their stock, selling inserts is currently illegal due to the Visionary/Motrax case in the middle of last year.

The reason for their ban was well justified as they do not meet the requirements of even a black visor.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

IME they were a bit crappy anyway. Hassle to fit, remove etc, and the sticky mounting tape wears out quickly. Get a proper dark visor Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

im never going to use a visor insert again. big group of us went for a ride to cat n fiddle and then to matlock on easter sunday, flying down a soaked dual carriageway, me visor insert dropped out and blew into me face stabbing me in the eye in the process, causing me to nearly crash into the crash barrier.

Proper dark visor all the way now Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im guessing this is just for coloured inserts? i.e not fogcity and the like? I couldnt live without my fogcity insert in the winter, its a lifesaver!
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have 2 visor inserts, 1 for my hjc helmet and 1 my my takachi helmet.

It fits nicely in my HJC helmet but didnt fit nice at all in my Takachi helmet, i kept getting gigantic ripples in it whenever i close the visor.

In the end i gave up and now have a proper iridium visor! Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: 16:06 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using a black Oxford insert (£4.99) for a while now, actually bought a new one in a bike shop a couple of days ago. My visor has a pinlock system which holds a small plastic insert in place as a sort of anti-fog barrier. I've just trimmed the black insert down and cut notches into it so that it fits into the pinlock system behind the clear piece. I really rate the insert as I can take it on or off over the course of a day if need be without the hassle of carrying a spare visor (I refuse to wear a bumbag to carry one in!). I may be wrong but I also am under the impression that it is legal to wear an insert, whereas a dark visor carries a (very low) risk of a telling off.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

all of the oxford visor inserts or ones you can buy in shops will be legal whatevery the colour.

Most of the proper visors are not road legal because they do not allow a certain amount of light through.

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PostPosted: 16:21 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two of the Oxford visor inserts, one in Green to match my jacket, and one in red to match my helmet. I switch them occasionally for a change, but dont wear them 24/7. The advantage of an insert (apart from the obvious price difference), is that you can remove them in about 5 seconds. My theory is that if you are ever stopped because of this visor insert, you can simply remove the thing. I dont know of anyone around here that has been stopped because of a visor insert, nor have i ever had any trouble with it.
The main disadvantage about them is that the universal ones (oxford), will not fit 100%, you have to faff about with them and trim them and it does get pretty irritating! I also found that there would also be a gap either at the top, or the bottom of the visor, as the insert was not quite the right hieght for my visor Razz

But to round off... for £2 at the BMF Show, i wasnt going to complain. It made me realise that paying for a tinted visor was not realy what i wanted, i didnt make enough use of the inserts on a day to day basis to be able to justify paying for a tinted visor... so i simply plop my allready trimmed inserts in when i go off for a ride on a sunny day (Very rare at the moment), and leave the fully tinted / irridium visors for the other riders, the ones with a bit more cash Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 16:55 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

dansuresh wrote:
all of the oxford visor inserts or ones you can buy in shops will be legal whatevery the colour.

Most of the proper visors are not road legal because they do not allow a certain amount of light through.

Dan


The courts banned all inserts regardless of who they were made by, which is why Bob Heath who has patented a completely new design and which has been scientificaly tested cannot get his one onto the market, and why he is currently about £60,000 out of pocket.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
The courts banned all inserts regardless of who they were made by.


Just to clarify, is it the sale and use of inserts which have been banned, or just the sale of inserts?
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see them being sold at any retailers now, but i still use my oxford one. I chose the silver insert and have been using it for a year, more or less. Obviously i remove it when weather conditions permit and find it easy to use. I think this is because Oxford were HJC's importers and therefore developed a product to suit it's helmets. I now tape the opposite sides onto my visor using sellotape and it normally works. Dont wash it in soap as the translucent layer dissolves away leaving you with VERY bad patches which are opaque.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liono wrote:


Just to clarify, is it the sale and use of inserts which have been banned, or just the sale of inserts?


Dark inserts are now classed the same as dark visors.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liono wrote:
T.C wrote:
The courts banned all inserts regardless of who they were made by.


Just to clarify, is it the sale and use of inserts which have been banned, or just the sale of inserts?


It is the sale of inserts which have been banned, legislation hasn't yet been changed to prohibit their use.

To clarify the point made by Mr Everready, they are not classed the same as black visors, as the regulations are quite specific.

The prosecution done by Trading Standards was actually flawed as they used BS4110 as their guide in drawing up the summonses and did not realise that motorcycle goggles were allowed to transmit only 18% ambient light which is the level we have been pushing for years in respect of visors. When I spoke to Trading Standards about this they were a bit embarased and a little surprised, but fortuantely for them Visionary and Motrax pleaded guilty by letter.

The original prosecution was as a result of a fatal RTA in Sussex where the insert being worn by the deceased only allowed in 4% ambient light and there was a severe problem with colour recognition, hence the reason why the Courts placed a blanket prohibition on the sale of all inserts.

However, if you still have useable ones, then they are still legal to use, for the moment.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:


The original prosecution was as a result of a fatal RTA in Sussex where the insert being worn by the deceased only allowed in 4% ambient light and there was a severe problem with colour recognition, hence the reason why the Courts placed a blanket prohibition on the sale of all inserts.

, if you still have useable ones, then they are still legal to use, for the moment.


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PostPosted: 23:29 - 06 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one i am using which i am tryign to get more of as there bloody good is easy to fit and take out. I have had mine in for a few months now and have had no trouble with it.
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