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 jimster Spanner Monkey

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Wahey! Congratulations.
I'm doing mine next week! Eeek.
Can I ask what you did re: lifesavers? Do you do them always when turning left or right?? Or always except when emerging from a junction turning right/left? Reason I ask is because two different instructors have told me two different things  ____________________ Current: Yamaha Diversion XJ900
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Lifesavers over the shoulder of the direction you're about to take your bike, so if you're changing road position to avoid parked cars (ie, moving right, closer to the middle of the road) you look over your right shoulder...
At roundabouts, the first move you make as you come on to the roundabout is to the left (to stay in lane), so you check over the left shoulder, same again when you come off the roundabout, left shoulder.
Just remember, liversaver if you're changing road position in the direction of change.
Hope that helps, I'm not great at explaining things
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Do you know, it was something I didn't give a lot of thought to. I used to ride as a teen and and have been driving for nearly 20 years so things just came naturally. I drive a van, and found I was doing shoulders when I would have been really using mirrors in van.
So let me see................ I would always look over the shoulder of the side i'm changing direction to.
On a straight, shoulders if stationary for more than 5 secs otherwise just mirrors.
Turns from major, shoulder before change of road position, then again before commiting to turn. Bearing in mind you don't change position turning left.
From minor, if stopped, I did both shoulders left turn or right, my thoughts there were on the left turn why do left shoulder when you hug the kerb, but there could be someone on a pushbike or something so I thought wise to look.
Roundabouts were a bit of a head spin though. My theory is do both shoulders on entry left shoulder with signal and again when changing lane for third exit. Then right shoulder on exit just in case someone is trying to fly past. Don't look too long though, as bike tends to go where you look if you know what I mean.
Duals to singles, right shoulder if in left lane as two lanes go into one. Obviously left shoulder if in outside lane.
Overtaking.........mirror, shoulder, signal, shoulder move. and then reversed for getting back in again. The shoulder before signal otherwise might be sitting there for ages with signal on waiting for that prick in your blind spot to overtake, then something else has caught up.
It's all really common sense. and it basically comes down to shoulder before any kind of change in position or manouvre.
Sift through old posts, especially in new bikers section. There are loads of tips, and a few instructors too! Also, ask your instructor if your not clear. He knows what your local examiners are hot on, and if he thinks you're a twat for asking, sod him. You ain't going to see him again when you've passed and what are you paying him for!!
I hope I've been of help and haven't given bad advice, I'm sure someone will say.
Good luck. Above all, relax. Just know your going to do it! ____________________ Check my website. look at my profile though as putting it here would be spamming methinks (I worked hard to create it so at least look at it!) Nothing to do with bikes I might add! Might appeal to the more feminine personality. |
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 jimster Spanner Monkey

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Cool, thanks for the tips!!
Re: my instructor, I have already ditched him and got a new one He had only been an instructor for 45 days (!!) and although everyone has to learn somewhere, he can go and learn with someone else...
The reason I'm feeling confused is because everyone has their own ideas on what's correct - so it's really great to hear from someone who's just passed their test on what they actually did to pass!
And what you say matches with what one of the other guys who's an instructor also said on a post I did a couple of days ago, so I'm feeling a lot happier now.
Although I haven't really got time to worry about it, as end of year exams start a week Monday....  ____________________ Current: Yamaha Diversion XJ900
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 Gazdaman I did a trackday!!!

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| ali-b wrote: | At roundabouts, the first move you make as you come on to the roundabout is to the left (to stay in lane), so you check over the left shoulder, same again when you come off the roundabout, left shoulder. |
So you're in the left lane, going round the outside of a roundabout, you're just about to exit to your left, and you're going check your LEFT shoulder?
That's ridiculous.
It's much more likely for someone to straightline the roundabout, and cut you up from your right, you should be close enough to the left for you not to worry about anyone going up there.
As you exit, you check the biggest risk. If you're going more than straight over the roundabout, then yes, check your left shoulder, because you'll be coming from the inside lane, out, across lanes.
If you're going straight over, you're just leaving the outside lane making sure no-one's going to zoom past on your right.
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Good luck with the exams. Also the test.
Main thing with all tests, just relax. You'll be surprised what will come to you. Little snippets of info just appear in your mind, but if you're a bag of nerves, you just go blank. So if you feel yourself losing the plot, just take a deep breath and calm down. I nearly mucked up today when I had a bit of a to do with a bus, a lorry and a pedestrian. Over shot the turn a bit, but deep breaths, got it together and carried on. The examiner noted the fact that I didn't let it affect me.
Education exams were a while back now, but I recalled going over the papers when I'd believed I finished just to make sure. Did the same on my theory on Monday and got 35! Funnily enough I do the same when I do quotes and write important letters.
Anyway, all the best, and no doubt catch up with you in the near future. ____________________ Check my website. look at my profile though as putting it here would be spamming methinks (I worked hard to create it so at least look at it!) Nothing to do with bikes I might add! Might appeal to the more feminine personality. |
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| Gazdaman wrote: | | ali-b wrote: | At roundabouts, the first move you make as you come on to the roundabout is to the left (to stay in lane), so you check over the left shoulder, same again when you come off the roundabout, left shoulder. |
So you're in the left lane, going round the outside of a roundabout, you're just about to exit to your left, and you're going check your LEFT shoulder?
That's ridiculous.
It's much more likely for someone to straightline the roundabout, and cut you up from your right, you should be close enough to the left for you not to worry about anyone going up there.
As you exit, you check the biggest risk. If you're going more than straight over the roundabout, then yes, check your left shoulder, because you'll be coming from the inside lane, out, across lanes.
If you're going straight over, you're just leaving the outside lane making sure no-one's going to zoom past on your right.
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Although this is correct in itself, it's not test standard. I found it silly too, looking in my inside shoulder when you couldn't fit a pushbike between me and the kerb but suppose it's like the many things you learn just to get you through the test. ____________________ Northern Irish? www.nibikers.com |
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