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scottiel
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Another Ebay Scam Reply with quote
Hi folks just to let you know another Ebay Scam is on the go.

It has been taken off by Ebay but it might resurface so be aware.

It is for a 2003 CBR600RR, nice and shiny red one. The address was 61 Willing Street, England (that narrows it down a bit) Shocked .

It was Buy now for £1500.00, funnily enough the pics looked American.

Also be careful of the latest Phone scam.

You will recieve a call saying you have won a price and to press 9 on your phone to be put through to the prize line, you will be charged £20.00 for this, they then get you to go to another number and charge you £50.00. If you get one of these calls hang up straight away.

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PostPosted: 19:35 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thumbs Up Good man thanks for the heads up
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
The phone scams are hoaxes
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Re: Another Ebay Scam Reply with quote
scottiel wrote:
You will recieve a call saying you have won a price and to press 9 on your phone...If you get one of these calls hang up straight away.


Laughing No offence, but this is soooo an urban legend...see for example this website:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/12/04/phone_scam_warning_exposed_as/

or

https://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/hoaxes/press9.html

scottiel wrote:
Hi folks just to let you know another Ebay Scam is on the go. It is for a 2003 CBR600RR. The address was 61 Willing Street, England (that narrows it down a bit)


I don't think you should be printing people's addresses together with details of their bikes Shocked How do you KNOW it's a scam?? Maybe the seller had no digital camera so just used a picture of a similar bike from the US. I think you're just asking for BikeThieves Ltd to see this posting and think "That's a tasty bike, I'll 'ave that!!"
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Re: Another Ebay Scam Reply with quote
jimster wrote:

I don't think you should be printing people's addresses together with details of their bikes Shocked How do you KNOW it's a scam??


I feel embarrased to admit this but it is a scam cos i've been done by it!!! Crying or Very sad

I thought that i was taking care when dealing with him by get his phone number and talking to the guy on several occasions, he seemed very genuine and gave the excuse that it was so cheap cos he was expecting a child soon and needed the money!Anyway after doing as many checks on the bike i could think of i paid the money and low and behold he suddenly didn't exist and his phone wasn't connected anymore(funny that)

I contacted ebay and they told me that as i sent a bankers draft and his details with them where false that there was nothing that i could do!

That was about 6months ago and im still looking for the twat to give him a good beating. So if anyone knows of a bloke by the name of Philip Vowler please give me a clue of where he could be.

Now im gonna sit back and wait for someone to tell me thats its my own fault Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Anyway after doing as many checks on the bike i could think of i paid the money and low and behold he suddenly didn't exist and his phone wasn't connected anymore(funny that)


Did you have the registration details of the bike, you could write to the DVLA and apply for the owners details(although it's just as likely he's found a a cbr600rr on the street and written down the reg details.

In all honesty if I'm spending any thing I class as serious money (£200+) I would never hand over the cash without seeing the merchandise, especially with a vehicle purchase.

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I don't think you should be printing people's addresses together with details of their bikes


I don't think that's a major issue, look again at the address.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Re: Another Ebay Scam Reply with quote
beast rider wrote:
Now im gonna sit back and wait for someone to tell me thats its my own fault Thumbs Up


That sucks! Sad And it's not your fault, it's dead easy to get taken in by ebay. I got ripped off for a tenner by some guy using the same method - not nearly as bad, but I was still annoyed about it.

How did you get the money to him? If you posted it somewhere, surely you can track him down through that address. And is it possible to find out where a bankers draft was cashed - or better still, which bank account it was paid into?

However I still think that posting someone's address + details of their bike on a hunch that it's a scam is a bad idea. Why would someone post their address if it was a scam, unless they come from the Numpty School of Scammers©...??

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I don't think that's a major issue, look again at the address.


Hmmm. Now I realise that I, in fact, am the numpty. Embarassed Embarassed
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yep exactly that he gave me the reg number for a different bike, i had even done a hpi check on it(which came up clear! not that it matters now) and it was registered in scotland somewhere.

And the money issue i was just blinded by the fact that i thought that i was gonna get 03 bike for 1500 quid.

Lesson learned !(i hope)
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
Where did you post the money to? If it was an address in England, Someone had to pass the cash on to the scammer, and that Someone is probably traceable and susceptible to a visit by the 999 boys.

Also, did you find out which mobile network the phone was on, and contact the operator to get the owner details? It's more than likely he used a false name on a pay-as-you go account, but he might have been careless.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
Things that look too good to be true generally are.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
Trust me i've done everything that i could think of to find this bloke i even went to where i sent the money, and it was a boarded up building in essex which he must have had access to at some point.

At this point in time i have nearly given up hope of seeing that money or any justice but i will never forget his name!
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
beast rider wrote:
I will never forget his name!


Except that it's probably not his real name....

Did you try and track him down through his mobile phone? At the very least, the mobile companies keep records of which base stations his mobile logged onto and made calls from, so even if he gave false details you should still be able to track down where he lives to within a couple of square miles. Then just go round knocking on doors until you find the plonker.

Alternatively, contact the store where he brought the phone, and find out whether he ever bought top-up credits, he might have used a card to pay for them.

Alternatively, try and find out where the bankers draft ended up. It might still have finger prints on it, although that is a bit of a long shot, and any chance of CCTV footage of him cashing it would be long gone. I assume he wasn't stupid enough to pay it into his bank account.

Just get inventive, there's got to be a way of tracking him down...
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
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At the very least, the mobile companies keep records of which base stations his mobile logged onto and made calls from


But the networks will not give this information out willy nilly, only to the police.

I assume beast rider has been to the police.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
yeah i went to the police and got the usuall spill that its being investigated and they will let me know but i ain't heard anything yet so.....who knows maybe they will contact me in a few years and say that they have found him.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
Davo wrote:
But the networks will not give this information out willy nilly, only to the police.


They won't give it out to anyone who asks, because of the Data Protection Act. But if you force them to by getting a court order (costing about £50 if you do it yourself in the small claims court) they have no choice. Of course, the police might just ask Orange to release the info to them and give it to you, if you asked them to.

PS Beastrider - if the police say "they'll investigate it" what they mean is, they'll use your file as a door-stop or as a handy donut resting point when their hands get too full of donuts to hold any more (not including the policemen on this site, who I am sure are hard-working, upstanding individuals!). But seriously, if you want to solve this, you'd need to do it yourself. Also have you thought about using a tracing agency? I temped over the holidays in a law firm which sued bankrupt people, and they would use these agencies to track down the naughty bankrupts who would invariable try and run off, but these agencies have contacts inside mobile companies and so forth who they milk to get relevant details. It's uncanny how they do it (also highly illegal I suspect) but give them a name, a description, some basic details to start with, and £50-£200 (depending on how hard you want them to try) and they come back to you in a couple of weeks with an address, and if you want it, details of how many times the guy has emptied his bins that week.

Have you contacted your bank to find out where + how the bankers draft was cashed? That might give you a clue.

I suspect ultimately the trail will run cold, as you don't know what the guy looks like, but if it was me, I'd want to exhaust every opportunity.
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scottiel
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
I now it is a scam because it has been on ebay before, so I thought I would contact the seller to see what would happen, within ten minutes, ebay e-mailed me to tell me it had been removed and not to deal with the seller.It was the usual e-mail Ebay send when they know something is up.

The seller put his address on the site, why do that and why put the street number England, but no town address, the seller also replied to me quoting 1500GBP, from my experience only Americans tend to do this everyone else quotes £1500. There was No V5 etc, etc.

I was told about the phone scam by a company I deal with who got caught out by it. They where billed £20.00 a minute, then £50.00 at the end on top of that.


Cheers

Scottie
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scottiel
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 16 Jun 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't know why it is always a CBR600RR. Last Time the bike was Black with two free helmets. The time before that it was Blue.

Think there was a post on here before about a similar bike that had fancy paintwork and was in Glasgow, but the guy said he was in Ukraine or someplace like that and he would have the bike shipped out at his costs. OK RIGHT THEN!!!!!!!!! Liar

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