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awj72
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! binned it :o( Reply with quote

Had to happen at some point I suppose, just done my first ever mechanical bit at the weekend, changed the oil. Bike was running better than it has for a long time.
On way to work this morning, fekking tw@t of a van driver decides he doesn't want to wait at this roundabout, he's too important for that, out he comes, 2 cars in front throw out their anchors in a split second, me, down on my arse! Van is away oblivious to what he's caused.

Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

Hey ho, came the cry, no point dwelling, where's that breakers thread??
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad luck mate!!

Hope you get it sorted for minimal cost!
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Re: NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! binned it :o( Reply with quote

At least (I presume) you're ok.

Not such a great remind about keeping a decent distance, especially in the wet, but you're less likely to forget next time Smile.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am fine m8, cheers, bit of a stiff arm, but that's about it. Wasn't THAT close, just "happened so fast".
Cliche I know, but pointess dwelling like I say, gotta get her back on the road and sorted a.s.a.f.p.
Mainly easily replaceable bits, footpeg, indicator lenses & the gear changer is bent, may bend back ok though. Other than that, it's scraped fairings & cracked engine cover.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you still have that other engine you can use the casing off?
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way ahead of you mate, am sure you put a spell on me cos i didn't sell you the bike

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PostPosted: 15:25 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just how many bike accidents are caused by cars or van where there is no contact involved. Mate of mine has just had his arm pinned back together coz of a similar incident. His avoiding action caused the off.
I bet they aren't part of the statistics that often get posted regarding causes of accidents. In most cases the bastids are totally oblivious.

Having said that I suppose it comes down to giving yourself enough room to take the avoiding action without losing control of the bike. Easier said than done for many new riders. You see something unexpected and your instinct is to hit the brakes. If you happen to be on a corner or a roundabout that's going to have some bad side effects. Either your gonna lose the front or stand the bike up and get the corner all wrong.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoffo wrote:
it comes down to giving yourself enough room to take the avoiding action without losing control of the bike


Bloomin heck, yes mam!! Wink
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoffo wrote:
Just how many bike accidents are caused by cars or van where there is no contact involved...I bet they aren't part of the statistics that often get posted regarding causes of accidents....

Accidents like that (if police arrive) often put down to rider error.

In a way it is. However, does not fully take into account any contributory evidence. It also can't be contradicted as often no witnesses are available.

Back on topic glad to hear you're ok. Bikes are made to be fixed, people are a tad harder to put back together Wink Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not trying to have a go - I actually went into the back of a car on my RD Confused (though that was due to different circumstances, but still made me think).

Remember the 2 second rule is supposed to be increased to 4 seconds in the wet - that's a long distance usually and is often quite hard to maintain I accept (for a start people may well just lot in between you and the car infront).

In the end there's lots of reasons that cars might pull their brakes on hard (say a kid running out in the road) and a lot of cars with ABS can stop very quickly in the wet compared to a bike, so it's definitely worth being extra vigilent and making sure you can stop safely etc.

Riding 'properly' you should be able to stop in time for pretty much everything, apart maybe from a brick wall materialising infront of the car you are behind Smile. I definitely don't ride 'properly' all the time, but do occasionaly try and think about it Smile.


Also, I have occasionaly practiced getting little front wheel slides, the idea being that I can get a feel of what's going on should it happen when I'm not expecting it. You do have to be quite careful intentinally initialising a front wheel slide on a bike.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

A really good thing to do is to get to an empty car park/large space and practice emergency stops. It gives you a feel for how far you can push the bike and it will be easier to control if you have to do it for real.

I keep meaning to do this, but haven't had chance to get round to it yet - I'm still getting used to a new bike, so would rather not bin it on a f*ck up just yet!!! Confused

But I will - soon!!! Hopefully before I have to do an emergency stop for real!

Sorry to hear about your off. Sad
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
...Remember the 2 second rule...

Again, not having a go but also consider to keep looking for an 'escape route' should anything occur in front (or even behind).

It might be just me, but I do try and keep scanning ahead and practice asking "What if..." inside my helmet and adjust my riding accordingly.

For the future when you're back on the bike HTH Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

Again, not having a go but also consider to keep looking for an 'escape route' should anything occur in front (or even behind).

It might be just me, but I do try and keep scanning ahead and practice asking "What if..." inside my helmet and adjust my riding accordingly.

For the future when you're back on the bike HTH Thumbs Up


Good point. When bikes are on a ride outs you stagger to give yourself more room and in a way I also do that with cars. Never like to be squarely behind them but usualy sitting on one corner leaving a good distance. That way you can go past it if you can't stop in the distance you've left.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoffo wrote:

Good point. When bikes are on a ride outs you stagger to give yourself more room and in a way I also do that with cars. Never like to be squarely behind them but usualy sitting on one corner leaving a good distance. That way you can go past it if you can't stop in the distance you've left.


Staggering your bikes, good idea. Can avoid potentially very emabarrasing situations and much ripping of the piss. As my good mate found earlier this year...Did you know that the front end of a GPZ500s will fit sideways between the rear tyre and the mudguard of an MZ supermoto? I wouldn't have believed it myself until I looked over my shoulder and saw it Laughing

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PostPosted: 21:03 - 27 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoffo wrote:
Just how many bike accidents are caused by cars or van where there is no contact involved


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Last year. Confused

Sorry to gear about the off dude! Confused
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