Backing it in...

[ohdannyboy]

Hi all,

I have taken the drz out in the rain for the first time today to get used to the feeling of losing rear wheel traction.

I would really like to be able to turn the out of the blue losses of grip into controlled powerslides.

Any advice on the steps to take to start getting the back out?

Or am I just crazy for thinking about doing this on the road?


Any input at all welcomed as always
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[stinkwheel]

I have not intentionally done it myself but I believe a good start would be to learn how to do it on a lighter bike on a loose surface ie moto-x.

Expect to get hurt trying it on tarmac.
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[Sparks!]

Backing it in comes with speed.. people who try to do it before they are ready usually crash.. when you're ready to back it in you'll just be doing it naturally without thinking about it a great deal. Trying it on the road is stupid IMO and will only end up on your arse.

and jumping on the back brake or slippery wet roads DO NOT count
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[G]

I got rather horrified posts when I mentioned I went down to first to initiate a slide.
I was told usually one gear down is fine - though my dr600 did seem to need to go to first, but we're talking a bike getting on for twenty years old here, not making a massive amount of power.

And I think I started going into the slide at 40mph or so - it helps to be braking with the front at the time to help relieve the rear of traction. Didn't use the clutch unless something went wrong.


I've been having a play on the TRX, as it's got plastic tyres. Found that I can get a nice little slide going from second to first, but haven't tried to push it to much - just on the way to work etc.

[dransy]

just do what you do on a push bike
go as fast as you can and then slam on the back brake
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[Zoffo]

The most likely cause of losing the back end isn't because the tyre is going slower than the tarmac it's because it's going faster. Too much throttle in too low a gear will cause the back to loose grip and step out. Happened to me a few times and is usually controllable unless your right over at the time.
The brownies you see Rossi laying down are spectacular to watch but not giving much advantage because the tyre is losing grip under acceleration.
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[Sparks!]

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He asked about 'backing it in'; this technique refers to the rear wheel going to slowly, and intentionaly so.

It would not be desiarble to have the rear wheel going to fast going into a turn - going to slowly the wheel speed will 'catch up' with the road speed, at which point you have grip again.


It can be beneficial to have the rear sliding coming out of corners as well (presuming you're rossi or someone else stupidly talented). They let the bike turn faster and thus the bike can 'sit up' quicker, this means that full power can be got onto the tarmac sooner.

[RascalsCustar...]

Went to the final round of the british supermoto champs last yr at lydd. Jeses, those guys are talented. Wheelies?! Pft, you can keep em...learning to back it in is a true skill. (goes off to give worship to the small rossi shrine in the corner)

[ohdannyboy]

Thanks a bunch guys,

I think i might have to book myself in with a day at the Yamaha supermoto school. Il post another thread with some pics once I become a master of the rear end. (Take that last bit how you wish)
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[8316]

i dont want to sound like im bragging here,but i think it depends on what bike you ride. a gs125 has vicious engine braking in 1st gear. braking and leaning over and shifting down to 1st at the traffic lights gets the rear wheel sideways by about 6inches and chattering like mad as it tries to stop itself.
in the wet however.....
on some slippery pieces of tarmac, it lets go and immediately locks up.i have scared myself sometimes when i have leant it over and it steps out quite far,but when it regularly happens,it feels quite good!
so my way of backing in is to use a 125 with no wieght on the rear tyre....
big bikes i have no clue about
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