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GSXReater
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: NC30 vs RS250 Reply with quote

Ive ridden an nc30 but was wondering how an rs250 compares. How do they compare in handling, speed, weight etc.....

Anyone ridden both that can shed some light on my quandry?

ps: Before someone states the obvious...yep the nc30 is 4 stroke and rs250 is 2 stroke.
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Dom_
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PostPosted: 01:50 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basic but..

rs250 is lighter and better handling
nc30 has more lower down power so will be easier to ride
rs250 more rewarding when ridden properly (apparently)
rs250 will need rebuilding a hell of a lot more than the nc30, better care should also be taken when warming up etc.. as with all 2 strokes
nc30 has better mpg

tbh, the better rider will always win, not the bike.
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PostPosted: 02:24 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 250 is by far the quicker bike.
I've seen 250's racing with tuned 600's and getting top 6 finishes.

The question you need to be asking yourself is, how much you are willing tosacrifice to gain some speed?

If your the type of person to go on a diet to go faster then i'm sure you'll have no problem putting up with the fact that an RS250 is just as crampt as the 125,is hopeless for commuting, expensive to run and is of no real use unless the road is clear and conditions are good.
Otherwise i would go for the 4 stroke.

Just remember, parts arnt cheap and can be hard to find, so make sure it's low milage and needs nothing.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've seen 250's racing with tuned 600's and getting top 6 finishes


Thats why there is hardly any competative 250's in Supersport 400 racing?
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought they couldn't race 250's anymore because of noise/pollution. Confused
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't this a road bike comparison? Confused
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

VFR400UK wrote:
The 250 is by far the quicker bike.
I've seen 250's racing with tuned 600's and getting top 6 finishes.

Erm, we are comparing road bikes here. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom_ wrote:
Erm, we are comparing road bikes here. Thumbs Up


What he said. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do see a few RS250's racing in SS400's with Bemsee. And I think there's even one in forza extreme.

They keep up with the big boys just fine.

They should put out about the same horsepower, you'll have to work harder to use it all on the RS though.

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PostPosted: 22:40 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom_ wrote:
VFR400UK wrote:
The 250 is by far the quicker bike.
I've seen 250's racing with tuned 600's and getting top 6 finishes.

Erm, we are comparing road bikes here. Thumbs Up
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Swear that says racing.... oh well.

On the road both bikes have advantages. The rs250 is lighter, more flickable. The rs250 has to be ridden like a Bunt to get the best out of it, get your gear selection wrong and you might as well be trying to play pool with a rubber band. The vfr400 has alot more useable power, much easier to ride. The vfr400 carrys more weight and has less of a powerband.

As a road bike go for the vfr400 everytime, way easier to look after and much easier to live with. The rs250 sacrifices to much for the performance gain.

Id say get an rvf400 like mine Smile but everyone bitches on here about the extra expense

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PostPosted: 23:02 - 01 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kye wrote:
Thats why there is hardly any competative 250's in Supersport 400 racing?


There are hardly any as people seem afraid to use them.
Every lightweight race i've watched has been won by a 250.
I know he's not going to be racing, but i was using it as an example of the superior corner speed, handling and braking of a 250. but as a bike designed with racing very much in mind the superior speed comes at the sacrafic of comfort and usability.

If you are obsessed with speed and care about every single mph then it has to be a 250. if you plan to actually go anywhere, 400 is the only real option.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 02 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

A honda rs250 would probably be quicker than a sports 600, however this is an insanely tuned featherweight GP bike.

The road bike is similar to a 400 4 stroke production bike.
The 4 stroke produces power in a less 'fun' way in my opinion, but is better for day to day riding.

Maintenance on the RS250 isn't too bad; similar work to checking/changing shims on a 4 stroke I suspect.

In club racing there's a lot more 4 strokes - you can get more power out of them with moderate tuning and without a lot of mid-season work.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 02 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why people tend to link racebikes and roadbikes together. It gets annoying when you tend to hear stuff like, "well Yamaha do well in MotoGP so theyre road bikes must be brilliant". At the end of the day, racebikes are racebikes, roadbikes are roadbikes. You try and ride a racer on the road and it'd be a terrible experience. Totally impractical.

Just look at the Supermono race series. They all use road bike components but are far from anything you would ever see on the road. Just because they use those components doesn't make them ride/perform anything like a roadbike (80+hp and around 100kg wet).

At the end of the day, would you rather living with a slightly slower bike, which is reliable, cheap to maintain, comfortable to ride and cheap to run, or a bike that is very slightly quicker (if ridden to it's limit) but has none of the bonus points. I know what I'd rather have.

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PostPosted: 12:49 - 02 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

minesweeper wrote:
Swear that says racing.... oh well.


It does, but he was asking about a road bike, not a race bike.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 02 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to own an NC30 and my mate has an RS250 which I've ridden loads. The NC30 is by far the better road bike.

Riding an RS250 on the road is a pain as you need to keep that needle bewteen 10k and 13k to make any progress. When you do, you can keep up with a GSXR600 without much hassle (and the look on their face is priceless) but drop out of that band and you can forget it.

Then there's the 20k (if you look after it) rebuilds, which are getting more and more expensive as time goes on as the parts are rarer.

If I had a choice, I'd get the NC30 and make sure it's a good one, then it will go on for a long time.

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PostPosted: 14:25 - 02 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beavis wrote:
At the end of the day, would you rather living with a slightly slower bike, which is reliable, cheap to maintain, comfortable to ride and cheap to run, or a bike that is very slightly quicker (if ridden to it's limit) but has none of the bonus points. I know what I'd rather have.


I chose a rs250 for it's character - usually used to describe bits a that makes a bike less easy to use.

In this case, not much low down power, a very focused but uncofmortable for distance riding position and very sharp handling that's off little use on your commute to work.
However, on a blast around some unknown country lanes it really comes into it's own and is more rewarding than the 400.
I like a road bike that makes you really work to go fast - and when you are you aren't going that fast. This means that I get more of the feelings of fun than I do with my zx9-missile, but with a lot less danger of losing my licence or limbs. The zx9 is a better performing bike in pretty much all aspect - not quite as agile, but only slight less so thanks to race suspension and tyres, but it's a bit /too/ sorted for it's own good, so you've got to be going stupidly fast before it feels like you're actually doing anything.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 02 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom_ wrote:
minesweeper wrote:
Swear that says racing.... oh well.


It does, but he was asking about a road bike, not a race bike.


Thats the point i was trying to get across Smile me getting confused.

Buy an rc45, that would be perfect for the commute Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 02 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I chose a rs250 for it's character - usually used to describe bits a that makes a bike less easy to use.

In this case, not much low down power, a very focused but uncofmortable for distance riding position and very sharp handling that's off little use on your commute to work.
However, on a blast around some unknown country lanes it really comes into it's own and is more rewarding than the 400.
I like a road bike that makes you really work to go fast - and when you are you aren't going that fast. This means that I get more of the feelings of fun than I do with my zx9-missile, but with a lot less danger of losing my licence or limbs. The zx9 is a better performing bike in pretty much all aspect - not quite as agile, but only slight less so thanks to race suspension and tyres, but it's a bit /too/ sorted for it's own good, so you've got to be going stupidly fast before it feels like you're actually doing anything.


Oh, don't get me wrong mate I wasn't trying slate the RS250 in any way, but I was just pointing out that 2T's tend to be much more effort to keep running nicely and aren't as reliable. I'm still riding an NSR125 (still only 17 - must book test), and you soon realise how picky 2T's are as to which gear they're in. If you lean into a bend in one gear too high, on the exit you whack open the throttle and not a lot seems to happen. It's as if you have to be on the ball constantly and have to use the gearbox as often as possible. A 400 4T won't be as picky due to the steeper torque curve at low revs.

But yeah, I agree, 2T's are very rewarding when you get it right. Backroads are where I spend 80% of my time as the NSR just hasn't got the power to be much fun on dual cariageways even when fully de-restricted, but it owns the twisty bits.

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PostPosted: 01:25 - 03 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kye wrote:
Thats why there is hardly any competative 250's in Supersport 400 racing?


Maurice thought this after watching Bemsee at the end of May, until I dug out the results:-

Some pedantic bugger called Kickstart wrote:

Checked the results. In rookie 400 there was one RS250 (Mark Parbury, no 18). He came 9th, 5th, 4th and 3rd.

In the SS 400 there were 2 RS250s (Nick Chadwick, no 3, Rob Masters, no 69). No 3 came 6th, 1st, 1st and a DNF, no 69 came 23rd, DNF and 20th. There was also a Yamaha 250 (Andy Tempest, no 89) but no record of him in the results (and he is highlighted with a * in the program).

Pretty good results really.


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