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GBUK101
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 13 Aug 2005    Post subject: Licence types Reply with quote
Just been looking on the DSA site to check dates to take my test. When you choose bike they give you three different types of test to take:

A Big Bikes
A1 Small Bikes
A2 Normal Bikes

What do they classifiy as being a normal bike? I cannot find anything on there website that gives you a classification for what these are Exclamation
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Craggles
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 14 Aug 2005    Post subject: Re: Licence types Reply with quote
GB-UK wrote:

A Big Bikes
A1 Small Bikes
A2 Normal Bikes


A = DAS. You take your test on a bike capable of producing more than 35kW. Afterward, you can instantly ride a bike of any size or power output. You have to be 21 or over.

A1 = Light Motorcycle Licence. You take your test on a motorcycle of engine size 75cc - 125cc. You can ride a motorcycle of engine size up to 125cc, and producing up to 11kW of power.

A2 = Restricted Motorcycle Licence. You take your test on a 125cc Motorcycle, capable of producing no more than 11kW. You are then able to ride any size bike, provided it does not produce more than 25kW (33bhp) for two years. After this two year period, you can ride any size bike with any power output.

Basically, if you're over 21 - You'll be wanting to do DAS. Otherwise, you'll need to do the A2 test and be restricted for two years.

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The Old Geeza
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 14 Aug 2005    Post subject: Re: Licence types Reply with quote
Craggles wrote:
A2 = Restricted Motorcycle Licence. You take your test on a 125cc Motorcycle, capable of producing no more than 11kW. You are then able to ride any size bike, provided it does not produce more than 25kW (33bhp) for two years. After this two year period, you can ride any size bike with any power output.

Basically, if you're over 21 - You'll be wanting to do DAS. Otherwise, you'll need to do the A2 test and be restricted for two years.


Just an addition to Craig's explanation...

If you pass the A2 test, you can actually buy and ride any size bike you like - even a GoldWing if you want. But you'll just have to get it restricted to 33bhp. And preferably have the certificate to prove it, just in case 'plod' sees your license and then questions the bike you're riding.

Sorry, Craig. didn't meant to steal your thunder Wink


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tatters
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 14 Aug 2005    Post subject: Re: Licence types Reply with quote
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And preferably have the certificate to prove it


proof of restriction is not reqiured by law


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just in case 'plod' sees your license and then questions the bike you're riding


99% of "plod" don,t understand the 33bhp restriction and theres no way they can check for a restriction on the road side, also the restriction can be in any form for example: CDI, Inlet washers, throttle stop etc.
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The Old Geeza
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 14 Aug 2005    Post subject: Re: Licence types Reply with quote
tatters wrote:
...proof of restriction is not reqiured by law


Thanks, tatters. I never knew that. We learn something new everyday here, don't we.

As a matter of interest, what is the purpose of having a bhp restriction certificate ?



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dodsi
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 14 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
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what is the purpose of having a bhp restriction certificate


To prove restriction?

However the companies that make the certificates register them by name and say it is not valid on another persons name.

Surely this does not matter as its the bike that is restricted.

My certificate is in another persons name but I am bolloxed if I am paying to transfer it to my name!

The problem with the law is that you do not have to prove restriction but your bike has to be restricted.
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The Old Geeza
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 14 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
dodsi wrote:
The problem with the law is that you do not have to prove restriction but your bike has to be restricted.


Totally confused now.

So if it HAS to be restricted but you don't have to prove it, what's he point ?

Am I losing it here ?



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dodsi
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 14 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
The law is the bike has to be restricted...

...that is law.

You dont have to have proof though.

Just the law states you must be restricted.
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GBUK101
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 15 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
So I could ride around on an unrestricted bike after passing an a2 test and the only way they would be able to check would be to take the bike to pieces?
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fuzz
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 15 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
Or you're caught doing 140mph Wink

Also, the restricted bike must not have a power to weight ratio exceeding 0.16kw/kg.
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GBUK101
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 15 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
So what kind of speed will a restricted bike do then? My ER5 can get to about 110mph unrestricted, what would it do restricted?
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The Old Geeza
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 15 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
fuzz wrote:
... Also, the restricted bike must not have a power to weight ratio exceeding 0.16kw/kg.


I understand that equation, fuzz. But I ain't got a clue how it could easily be calculated without actually weighing the bike and testing the engine power.

So how would people know ?

Any ideas ?



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Adam.I
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 15 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
Aren't we forgetting the Accelerated Access?
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The Old Geeza
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 15 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
enrique86 wrote:
Aren't we forgetting the Accelerated Access?


Ooops. Yes I think we are.

But what exactly does this entail for all of us on an A2 License ?

Since passing my A2 I've thought of doing the AA course. But I'm a little concerned that I'm only a small bloke with the physique of Old Mother Hubbard. So I'm not sure I'd be able to hold up a big (ish) bike, if that's what folks have to ride for the AA.

But I'd like to upgrade slightly from my 250 to (say) a 400.

What's involved in the AA course ?



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fuzz
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 15 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's exactly the same as DAS if you reach 21 during your 2 year period.
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Craggles
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 15 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Old Geeza wrote:
fuzz wrote:
... Also, the restricted bike must not have a power to weight ratio exceeding 0.16kw/kg.


I understand that equation, fuzz. But I ain't got a clue how it could easily be calculated without actually weighing the bike and testing the engine power.

So how would people know ?

Any ideas ?




Geeza, I think you've just realised how completley unenforcable the 33bhp law is.

The thing is, some people (like me) would rather not get caught out however unlikley it may be, so have paid their £130-odd to FI International to have the bike restricted. Parental enforcement also plays a part here. Some insurance companies require proof of restriction too, but I've never been asked for this.

Also, with regards to your worries about bigger bikes - I have a GPZ500S - far from the heaviest bike in the world but I have no problems moving it around if done properly. I'm careful where I park it, but I'm far from being well-built. Most training centers use 500cc bikes (ER-5, CB500 or GS500) to do DAS or AA.

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ZZRman
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 21 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
This loop hole is going to be soon closed, you will need to produce a certificate when you are issued with a producer, in the event of a accident and the investigation uncovers speed was a factor and if the bike is not restricted they can and do have the powers to strip and see if it was fitted, your insurance company will be informed as to the findings and your name will be plasterd al lover the insurance data base for other insurance companies to see, you may well find that other insurance compainies will not offer you cover cos you are a high risk, I hope solves the mystery of restrictions, I worked in insurance for awhile and I know they will blacklist you indefinetly, in other words forever and thet can legally do it..
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 21 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote
As only F1 issue certificates, but you dont have to go to F1 to restrict the bike, how can a certificate be part of a producer?

And im sure a dyno run would be easily forged!
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