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Andy99
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Motorcycle Airbag Reply with quote

Anything that can help to prevent injury has to be a good thing right? I do wonder if in some accidents it could further the chance of rider impact with a stationary object as the bag could prevent the rider flying over the object.
Honda have obviously spent alot of time and money testing so know more than us but anyone got any thoughts.
What are the implications?Will the safety nazis insist all bikes must have them?How about sportsbikes would the bag work or just help to launch the rider?

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PostPosted: 12:07 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

That thing looks like it'd stop me leaping off my bike in an accident.

Think I'll go without thanks. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would imagine that in a certain, specific set of circumstances the airbag would be helpful. In my experience though, when you hit a car on a motorbike, the back end of the bike flips up off the road. This would do a fairly good job of splatting you between the car and the bike, I reckon being thrown clear and NOT hitting the car or being hit by the bike would be infinately preferrable. You then only have a 'sailing through the air and sliding along the road' issue to deal with, which your normal protective equipment should cope with.

As far as I am concerned, in most crashes, the further away I am from the motorcycle, the better. It is a big, heavy, hot and sharp piece of metal.

This idea is as good a one as mandatory leg guards were.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the picture slowly loaded up it looked like someone sitting on a bike pulling a Moon Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bag won’t be on all models as are radio’s.
So generally unless you have the right model you are not going to have one.
Unless the change all bikes to look like that one in the picture.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

My job for the last ten years , up until three months ago when i was made redundant was automotive test engineer , specialising in steering systems and crash restraints , airbags etc ,
Airbags work well if you are wearing a seatbelt to restrain your body , they stop your face from impacting anything hard but having seen countless crash dummies impact an airbag without a seat belt
come away with neck injuries , my concern would be that with hondas motorcycle system your head would be slowed on impact much slower than your heavier unrestrained body resulting in heavy neck injuries as your neck would basically be folded in half.

This is just an educated guess from looking at hondas pictures of their new system , i would personally like to see a copy of thier test reports and test rig design to see how they are going to get around this problem without belting the body to the bike .
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:
The bag won’t be on all models as are radio’s.

En Anglais s'il vous plait?
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radio's arent on all models Jonnifer.

Could have left it FFS Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:
Radio's arent on all models Jonnifer.

Could have left it FFS Rolling Eyes

Sorry - I didn't understand your engrish. Not my fault.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: jesus Reply with quote

Picture no 2 looks like my Mrs naked all bar suspenders bent over a table. I took up biking to get a break from the mrs and the last thing I want if I have an accident is her ass popping up in my face.


joking aside, although my wifes ass is no joke, can you imagine one of them going off accidentally while your piling along on your favourite twisties.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: jesus Reply with quote

zx636 wrote:
joking aside can you imagine one of them going off accidentally while your piling along on your favourite twisties.

When did you last experience (or even hear of) a car airbag "accidentally" going off?
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

HMm so what happens when the white van behind rear-ends you at 15, causing a quick G force similar to that of a head on crash, so the airbag goes off? could be nasty.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

They had to do it in pink, didn't they?
It's like Quagmire from Family Guy's airbags.

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PostPosted: 13:53 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

About 8 months ago actually. Our Peugeot has a key switch that turns off the passenger airbag. Its there if you have kiddies with forward facing car seats. We had just had a full service on the car and part of the service was checking the airbags. they plug in something or the other to check em, God only knows what but the had to re-activate the key switch.

when the Mrs went to collect the car they gave a list of check they had made, which inc the airbag. the 1st thing the Mrs did was to check the passenger airbag was switched on and POP, right in the middle of the dealers car park the airbag activated. So Yes, I do know and have heard of airbags going off "accidentally"

OK she was not driving but who is to know it wouldnt have done.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked

First one I've heard of...

Speachless!

Have you contacted the manufacturers? Wonder what they'd have to say on the subject!
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to say I welcome any thing that will make biking safer.

I just don’t know if this will work as advertised. I can honestly see it saving lives but I will wait on the real world data before I think to my self my I must have an airbag on my bike.

The other idea I saw tested with a real live japans person was the worn airbag for bikers. I have no idea how it is triggered or the like but it was like a life jacket that inflated a collar to protect the neck and bags about the chest to protect the body.

But again no idea if it would work in a real accident or not

I will wait and see me thinks
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: airbags. Reply with quote

I dont know if its the same with all airbags but ours was covered in a very fine white powder, like talc, We were told its to stop the airbag sticking together when its packed.

It took ages to clean it out of the car, Dealers were not much help, and 8 months later we are still finding it.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: manufacturer Reply with quote

Yes. We contacted Peugoet, not for the first time either, they said it was a fault while servicing and the costs would be covered by the dealer.
No apology or anything, but its what we expected especially after complaining to them the headlights were always full of condensation and they told us it was normal and to turn the headlights on full beam to burn it off..............................
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: personal airbags Reply with quote

oooooooo

The idea of personal airbags sounds fun. Just as you have an accident whoosh.......instant Michellin man. the crash would not kill you but the 3 miles you bounced down the road would.

Still I suppose those of us with a rubber fetish would welcome the idea.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

As soon as i saw that all i could think of is someone leaning forwards on a sports bike.

Airbag goes off.

1 Biker in orbit! Looks like it could be fun!!!
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like 007's "avalanche" jacket? Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG thats lame next the goldwing will have seat belts and a roof .....
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

In principle it sounds like a good idea. However, in the real world, as stinkwheel says, there will be situations where it is inappropriate and could cause more harm than it prevents.

I also suspect that there will be a number of different sensors, pressure switches, etc measuring G force, bank angle and the like. That bit worries me because it'll be like ABS. Fine if it's working ok but a bugger and a worry if it's not and expensive to fix.

IMO looks like ABS will be the real next big thing though in bike safety with it fitted to anything with two wheels from the 125 commuter/learner to the road going sports bike.

Just my thoughts Karma
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
In principle it sounds like a good idea. However, in the real world, as stinkwheel says, there will be situations where it is inappropriate and could cause more harm than it prevents.

I also suspect that there will be a number of different sensors, pressure switches, etc measuring G force, bank angle and the like. That bit worries me because it'll be like ABS. Fine if it's working ok but a bugger and a worry if it's not and expensive to fix.

IMO looks like ABS will be the real next big thing though in bike safety with it fitted to anything with two wheels from the 125 commuter/learner to the road going sports bike.

Just my thoughts Karma


ABS on my humble CBF600 already expect it on the replica race bikes in the next year or two
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 08 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check this out. The future is here!

https://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/airbag-jacket/motorcycle-airbag-jacket.htm

I had the idea before of an inflatable neck restraint/collar that could inflate like an airbag to keep a riders head from moving about too far in a crash.

When a car crashes head on, the forces on a person are probably quite predictable. I suppose a bike crash can happen in a million different ways but surely the impacts on the neck body are the same?

Alternatively put the airbag under the riders arse so he/she can launch themselves clear at the first sign of trouble.......a simple parachute sytem housed in the top of the lid could bring them safely back to earth. Wink
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