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Mr noOdles
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Why..........(general motorcycle gearing) Reply with quote

............. do motorcycle rear wheel lock up when you knock up or down a gear to many, is doesent happened for cars, but why bikes

has this happened to anyone b4

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PostPosted: 20:37 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes the rear will lock up, and then gain grip unless its a shit tyre then it will take a while longer,,, bikes use engine braking,, cars dont as much , also you have more surface area on car tyres so the slip that you get with a bike which has bugger all surface area will.. simple,
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

when your bike slows the weight is also thrown forward, the rear suspension unloads & makes the rear easy to lock. try winding your rear preload right up & see how easy it is to lock the rear up.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

thks mateS Thumbs Up Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owdamer wrote:
when your bike slows the weight is also thrown forward, the rear suspension unloads & makes the rear easy to lock. try winding your rear preload right up & see how easy it is to lock the rear up.


so what is a slip clutch for then and what is it uses
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

A slipper clutch is a mechanical device that introduces clutch slip & prevents rear wheel lock up when banging down the gears. I'm not sure how it works exactly, but i'm sure YOU could look it up. Laughing

As I'm in a good mood i'll save you some time.
https://www.sigmaperformance.com/slipperclutch.html
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

How I down shift ( Prevents rear wheel locking )

1. Brake
2. Pull in clutch
3. Go down one gear
4. Let out clutch
5. when revs get low again repeat process.

This is good i think because I used to lock wheels up alot, Example:
I come to a red traffic light, Pull in the clutch and put it into first ( but im still heading toward the traffic lights ) But all of a sudden, Its green! So I let go of the clutch and my rear wheel locks up big time.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drive at 80 in 5th gear in your car, drop it to 2nd and dump the clutch, should lock up for a bit then.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom_ wrote:
Drive at 80 in 5th gear in your car, drop it to 2nd and dump the clutch, should lock up for a bit then.


true Shocked and blow up the engine as well Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Re: Why..........(general motorcycle gearing) Reply with quote

Mr noOdles wrote:
............. do motorcycle rear wheels lock up when you knock up or down a gear too many, it doesn't happen for cars, but why bikes


If you went down one gear too many in a rear-wheel drive car, it would lock the rear wheels. The answer is don't do it aggressively.

Don't just rely on clutch control. You need to match the engine speed to the gearbox speed, you can do this by revving between gears. Listen to other riders, you'll hear them blip the throttle changing down. Blip for slightly longer when going down two gears.
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an opportunity.

So when blipping the throttle, what's the process behind it? Why does this stop the rear wheel locking up? I'm assuming the 'blipping' is going on whilst the clutch is in.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

(afaik this is how it goes, stop me if i'm talking shite)

Bliping the throttle raises the revs of the engine to closer match the speed of the rear wheel as you change down... so the closer they are the less chance of locking it.


The main thing is trying to keep the revs constant without dropping from say 5000 to 2000, because of the sudden change it overloads the tyres capacity for grip (becuase you might just as well be slamming on the brake) and locks up.


Bliping the throttle is easy enough to do (when your used to timeing it), it saves engine wear (droping 3000revs in a split second does it no good and places extra strain on components) and sounds cool Thumbs Up

How to do it.. sure there better explainations but.. its giveing it a blip as the clutch is held in and released... when you've got it it'll be one fluid movement you wont even realise your doing half the time... (did i mention it sounds cool?)
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 20 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rookie_biker wrote:
Here's an opportunity.

So when blipping the throttle, what's the process behind it? Why does this stop the rear wheel locking up? I'm assuming the 'blipping' is going on whilst the clutch is in.


Because you match engine revs with the new (lower) gear. This reduces the engine braking slightly, but allows for a smoother gear change, and helps reduce rear-wheel locks.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 21 Sep 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumbs Up I can visualise it now, and how it works. Cheers.
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