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DimmniBurek
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Spark plug-little explanation Reply with quote

Hello, I drive NSR 99' electronically restricted, at about 11000km I have had to replace spark plug, now its BR9EIX, and the it worked just fine, but now (16500km) it started to work roughly and today it almost died, the bike was working awful, now I've unscrewed it and this is what it was like....
I want to know why does this happen? Too much fuel, too much air? The airbox is opened(without cover)
https://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/32930IMG_9481.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks......oily.

Compare it to this and tell us what it looks like:

https://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/technical/diagnosis.htm

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Try cleaning it up a little, sand it down a little to clean it up and try it again. I take it the spacing is correct, yes?
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm new to bikes, but ok with car engines. I'd say that if the electrode is burnt away like that, that it's running too lean. ie. not enough fuel.

As you say you are running without an air filter, then this will make the mixture lean, and therefore the engine will run hot (and eventually destroy itself).

Either map more fuel in, or put the air box back on.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how do I map more fuel in? Where do I adjust this on Dellorto 28(original NSR, I think PHBB)
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

isn't that what happens when the piston hits the sparkplug?
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

5k out of a plug on a little stroker isn't too bad I'd have thought. If the engine/pipe is standard fit a new plug of the recommended grade and put the air box lid back on.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The spark plug is good enough, even better than that one which says in the manual, but looks like too much air in the mixture, I would fit the lid back on to see the difference

Where do I open more of the gas on the carb?

Sorry for bad english
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

look here and compare
https://www.dansmc.com/Spark_Plugs/Spark_Plugs_catalog.html
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 01 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

colour of plug looks ok, just needs cleaning or changing.
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PostPosted: 01:23 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should be replaced every 2500 to 3000 miles, so 5500km is a good lifespan. With the white appearance on the electrodes I'd say it is ready for replacement.
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PostPosted: 02:50 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

that sparkplug has BEEN HIT BY THE PISTON!

get the engine looked at ASAP!

otherwise the mixture looks fine.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

bish777 wrote:
that sparkplug has BEEN HIT BY THE PISTON!

get the engine looked at ASAP!

otherwise the mixture looks fine.

You're wrong, If it would be hit the bike will die immediately, and would not do about 6000km, this shit on it was obviously progressively put on, and now it was just too much and the bike didn't work properly! I have some experiences with our-slovenian Tomos mopeds, and if the plug was too long it didn't start at all, that bridge was nailed together....
The bike runs as hell now, I will change when it dies, it's gold and should do more than 6000km, the next would be NGK Iridium Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

DimmniBurek wrote:

The bike runs as hell now, I will change when it dies


No, change it now. You don't want it melting and bits dropping off. As it is the timing must be miles out so you risk major engine damage.


It doesn't matter how long they say a plug should last, when it's screwed, it's screwed.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The plug is good, the first one last 11000km, and one day it just wouldn't work, so I've changed it! No one of my friends changes plugs so often as 6000km! I have changed it because was some Bosna Super in it->not very good plugs and it suddenly died!
In NSR manual it says to clean it every 4000km, so I think changin at 6000km is crap

Where do I adjust to map more gas in?
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

To let more fuel in you need to change the main jet in the carb
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that plug has been impacted. look at the anode, see how bent up it is?

the other possibility, is your running far too lean and have gotten a detonation.

Either way that engine needs work.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

So tell me how could it be impacted? It worked 6000km and it works now-after the cleaning, so?
This is the same type of plug that it says in bikes manual, its BR9EV, in the manual says BR9ECS or BR10ECS, alains told me to buy EV or EIX...
I would put that cover back on
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

clean it and re-fit , it will work perfectly
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just doing it, but firstly I want to see if it would improve acceleration or not
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is not the main point (it will improve smoothness) but watch carrefully your fuel consumption , surely you will spare 1/2 to 3/4 L on a full tank !
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

DimmniBurek wrote:
So tell me how could it be impacted? It worked 6000km and it works now-after the cleaning, so?
This is the same type of plug that it says in bikes manual, its BR9EV, in the manual says BR9ECS or BR10ECS, alains told me to buy EV or EIX...
I would put that cover back on


sorry the pic does look really weird..... It must be very heavily crapped up????

Check your two stroke pump is set right (dont ask me how), and that your NOT premixing any oil into the fuel.

Youll need to make sure the engine is jetted properly if your running anything other than standard pipes and inlet.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ain't doing this again! The sound is awful as hell, acceleration is a bit worse than with the cover, so which main jet shuold i get?
https://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/32930with.avi
https://www.mobisux.com/album/data/500/32930without.avi
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 02 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

main 138 slow 42 power 65
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 05 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you tell me the approx. cost of all 3 jets? € will be fine Very Happy
Is there any difference in acceleration or top speed after switching the jets?

Thanks Guys
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 05 Oct 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be lean at high revs could break the piston and sometimes more . the under jetting was done as the bikes were restricted . so if you de-restrict your engine you must upjet avoiding when you go over 9500 rpm any problem . these jets cost £2.95 ex vat and are delivered in the uk under 48h , under 5 days for europe
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