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PostPosted: 20:48 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Can you lower a bike? Reply with quote

As the title says. Im after a 1999 CBR600F and its has a seat height of 810mm. Im only 5'7" with an inside leg of 30". At present riding a CG125 seat height 781mm. I can get my feet flat on the floor and then some. I know it has to do with width also. Any help and advice will be appreciated as always. Smile Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could let all the air out of the tyres. Laughing Laughing Laughing

On a serious note though. You can get lowering kits for many bikes and for the bikes you cant get the kids for you can replace the shocks, tends to be more expensive, but possible.

Sometimes you can get seats designed to shave a few mm off the seat height.

Personally I wouldnt bother providing you can get one foot on the ground. My Firestorm has the same size seat height and I'm an inch and a half shorter than you and have no problems. Tippytoes with both feet or one foot on the ground and one on the peg.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can get lowering kits for the rear

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-2006-Honda-CBR600-CBR-600-F4-F4i-LOWERING-KIT-/330609517537?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf9dce3e1

as for the front you may beable to slide your forks throught the yokes.
dont quote me on the link as there was a few differnt listed, just have a look on fleabay for lowering kits
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

hagon will do a lower'd shock for you to your spec's
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
You could let all the air out of the tyres. Laughing Laughing Laughing

On a serious note though. You can get lowering kits for many bikes and for the bikes you cant get the kids for you can replace the shocks, tends to be more expensive, but possible.

Sometimes you can get seats designed to shave a few mm off the seat height.

Personally I wouldnt bother providing you can get one foot on the ground. My Firestorm has the same size seat height and I'm an inch and a half shorter than you and have no problems. Tippytoes with both feet or one foot on the ground and one on the peg.


The tipytoe thing works for me. Just checking. So psyched. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll find that getting through your test they recomend putting the left foot down and right foot on the peg on the brake lever.

All well and good for us shorter people on a 125 with a low seat height but with the camber of the roads its a nightmare on bigger bikes. Since passing my test I'll put the right leg down, its more comfortable and feels safer. I'm less likely to drop the bike. I've also noticed most big bike riders doing the same. Its rare I see a left leg down on the bike.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Can you lower a bike? Reply with quote

speedysi wrote:
and then some


If that extra is 3cm you will be ok.

Also consider because you can reach the floor (probably when you are standing up and testing?) you will probably have not compressed the suspension at all.If you sit down do you get even more clearance? makes a lot of difference, especially if you are fat Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
You'll find that getting through your test they recomend putting the left foot down and right foot on the peg on the brake lever.

All well and good for us shorter people on a 125 with a low seat height but with the camber of the roads its a nightmare on bigger bikes. Since passing my test I'll put the right leg down, its more comfortable and feels safer. I'm less likely to drop the bike. I've also noticed most big bike riders doing the same. Its rare I see a left leg down on the bike.


Yeah Ive noticed the right leg down. Mentioned it to my instructor and he said the right foot on the rear brake is the standard safety position. Cant wait until the hoop jumping is over!!
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Can you lower a bike? Reply with quote

ROV Sparky wrote:
speedysi wrote:
and then some


If that extra is 3cm you will be ok.

Also consider because you can reach the floor (probably when you are standing up and testing?) you will probably have not compressed the suspension at all.If you sit down do you get even more clearance? makes a lot of difference, especially if you are fat Laughing


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PostPosted: 21:33 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can buy a lowering kit which is a metal link between swing arm and suspension this is the cheapest and easiest option. dont forget if you lower the back you have to drop the forks the same cms for the same ride and this will reduce your clearance, important if your fairing hits curbs when parking etc.

you can skim the foam in the seat or get a tailor to do it, you just send seat away again and they reshape it. i found it more comfortable tbh plus you dont have to tell insurance.

finally the most expensive option is to replace suspension which may be a poor choice in both price, insurance and how it alters the ride.

or you could do all 3 but as you alter the parameters you alter the handling.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Can you lower a bike? Reply with quote

ROV Sparky wrote:
speedysi wrote:
and then some


If that extra is 3cm you will be ok.

Also consider because you can reach the floor (probably when you are standing up and testing?) you will probably have not compressed the suspension at all.If you sit down do you get even more clearance? makes a lot of difference, especially if you are fat Laughing


I intend using every ounce of my fat-bastardness in the event of an off.....I'm planning on rolling til it's safe to stop Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Re: Can you lower a bike? Reply with quote

speedysi wrote:
As the title says. Im after a 1999 CBR600F and its has a seat height of 810mm. Im only 5'7" with an inside leg of 30". At present riding a CG125 seat height 781mm. I can get my feet flat on the floor and then some. I know it has to do with width also. Any help and advice will be appreciated as always. Smile Thumbs Up
Thanks


I'm 5'6" With an inside leg of 29", and I could ride that bike dead easy.

In fact, the only bikes I have a real issue with are those that are both extremely tall and extremely heavy. I've ridden some pretty tall enduro bikes, and I've ridden some heavy sportsbikes, but I doubt I'll ever manage a BMW 1200GS for example. Heck, I don't think I'd want to!

Seriously though it won't be an issue. My Daytona 955i I used to only be able to touch my left toe on the floor if I shifted my arse over to the left a bit. Never caused me an issue. It did take a little bit of planning when on some roads that were rutted by lorries and the like, especially at traffic lights, but otherwise it was fine.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what Marjay is trying to say (in his usual blunt directness lol) is that although you are lacking in height your biggest deficiency is your confidence. I too have had some big bikes, my RSV is quite tall and makes modern sportsbikes feel like childrens toys size wise but I manage fine despite my meagre 31" inside leg. When I started out though I would quake at the size of 600's in the showrooms.

You just need time, experience and confidence. If lowering the bike helps then fair enough but you dont neccesarily require a lower bike mate! Wink
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 05 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
I think what Marjay is trying to say (in his usual blunt directness lol) is that although you are lacking in height your biggest deficiency is your confidence. I too have had some big bikes, my RSV is quite tall and makes modern sportsbikes feel like childrens toys size wise but I manage fine despite my meagre 31" inside leg. When I started out though I would quake at the size of 600's in the showrooms.

You just need time, experience and confidence. If lowering the bike helps then fair enough but you dont neccesarily require a lower bike mate! Wink


Ta mate. I think you right. More time on 2 wheels. Ah well, bummer
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PostPosted: 02:12 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

lower the front end drop the yokes down a bit ,
trim the seat cushion and recover it,
reposisstion the rear shock mount ,
or make an adapter to shift it ,
cut the spring or change the spring for a smaller one ,
or just change the monoshock completely if u will not have enough travel
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PostPosted: 02:17 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

70's style platform boots?
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PostPosted: 02:20 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temeluchus wrote:
70's style platform boots?


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how about roller skates so u can put your feet down while your on the move
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

speedysi wrote:


Yeah Ive noticed the right leg down. Mentioned it to my instructor and he said the right foot on the rear brake is the standard safety position. Cant wait until the hoop jumping is over!!


This is not a hoop to jump through IMO, this is a genuinely useful thing to do. On hills for example it is useful to stop the bike rolling backwards... Is that not obvious? It is good practice to keep your right foot on the rear brake whenever stopping or stopped because if you get hit from the rear this will prevent you from being fired into oncoming traffic.

It is an essential practise to keep your right foot on the rear brake and put your left foot on the floor. It also makes it easier for you to ride taller bikes. What is not to like?
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
speedysi wrote:


Yeah Ive noticed the right leg down. Mentioned it to my instructor and he said the right foot on the rear brake is the standard safety position. Cant wait until the hoop jumping is over!!


This is not a hoop to jump through IMO, this is a genuinely useful thing to do. On hills for example it is useful to stop the bike rolling backwards... Is that not obvious? It is good practice to keep your right foot on the rear brake whenever stopping or stopped because if you get hit from the rear this will prevent you from being fired into oncoming traffic.

It is an essential practise to keep your right foot on the rear brake and put your left foot on the floor. It also makes it easier for you to ride
taller bikes. What is not to like?


All I meant was I can't wait intil all the tests are over!!! Of course I can see the advantage/point. Bloody hell
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

speedysi wrote:
All I meant was I can't wait intil all the tests are over!!! Of course I can see the advantage/point. Bloody hell

Laughing
To add balance I stick out whatever leg seems appropriate, or both in a flappy leg sort of way Wink, and hook a finger over the front brake. Thumbs Up

On the original topic you'll be fine on the 600. A few days to get used to it and you'll be wondering what you were worrying about.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brother is your height and can ride my bike easily (same as your bike) I wouldn't worry about it. Tbh you are the ideal height for it, any taller and the bike starts to feel a bit cramped.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
My brother is your height and can ride my bike easily (same as your bike) I wouldn't worry about it. Tbh you are the ideal height for it, any taller and the bike starts to feel a bit cramped.


Thanks mate. Thats exactly the kind of info I was after Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 28 inch inside leg and rode that model of cbr for about 5 years. It's all in your head.

If you really need to make a change you can scoop loads of foam out of the seat foam out.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 06 Sep 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

On hills I use the back brake. You then have a perfect hill start.

At normal traffic lights I come off the front brake and come to a stop on the back brake only. Looks cooler when the front doesn't dive.

Then, I hold it on the front brake while I slip it into neutral so I can rest my left arm (got tennis elbow). Both feet on floor, no hands on bars.

Then when the light goes yellow I stick it in first and set off with my left foot up, right foot up shortly after. It's easier to short-shift into 2nd that way.
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