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PostPosted: 17:40 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:52 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Between me and Charlotte. Alfa 155 2L. Alfa 33 P4. A lhd Alfa 33 1.3 (really must sort the brakes). Maserati 222SE.


I like your style..

I've been on the verge of buying an '80s Quattroporte several times..

what's the running costs like?

for the thread..

currently in a Citroen Xantia Turbo Diesel that I got for free when my mum upgraded to a new Megane coupe convertible.

project is for a lotus 7 replica using the "lightweight" kit from Robin Hood Engineering in Nottingham, and my spare thunderace engine.

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PostPosted: 18:37 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

markcatate wrote:
1.4 slow as fuck and boring to drive.

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Keeps me dry and looks pretty good too though. Smile


did you get that from T44 TEM coz i remember he said his name came from his number plate
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
Pointless excersise,
As the car has a fully sychromesh gearbox then doubling the clutch is only gonna wear out the cable/hydraulic slave. The need to pause on a downshift to bring engine revs up is essential to smooth driving but NOT going up the box.


He didn't mention going up or down the box, and on an up change double declutching is at best barely needed. Going down the box it still helps to keep it smooth (and I do it in my Alfa 33, and in the 155). Not really pointless Wink .

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PostPosted: 19:00 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

**Biker-Kev** wrote:
did you get that from T44 TEM coz i remember he said his name came from his number plate

He is T44TEM

Mark C. A Tate

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PostPosted: 19:01 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why isn't it just called double clutching. What's the extra de- there for?
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
I like your style..

I've been on the verge of buying an '80s Quattroporte several times..

what's the running costs like?


Err, hideous. Well, could be worse (the Renault Clio we had would have given it a close run for its money in running costs were it not for the warrenty).

To be honest it has got cheaper. Maserati spares prices used to be frightening but when Ferrari took over the prices dropped (think they were embarressed that Ferrari spares prices were cheaper Laughing ). Distributor cap was over £250 for example (and another £95 for the rotor arm), cam belt was £70. Sump plate is £95.

Prices have definatly dropped (we got some new wings about a year ago, and they were within reason for cost), and if you are careful you can source parts from elsewhere. For example the 222SE front fog lights are from the late Lancia Thema, and when we needed some they were £105 from Maserati and £38 from the local Fiat dealer. Similarly the front side light / indicator units are Fiat 127 items. The fuel pump was over £200 from Maserati but under £100 from the local Weber dealer.

You would need to find a reasonable Maserati mechanic who understands the concept of being able to afford things. There are some very good mechanics who don't (eg, that £95 sump plate is sometimes treated as a service item and replaced at 6000 miles as they get chipped from grounding out).

A 1980s QP3 would not be cheap to run. The engine in that is an old school Maserati V8. There are very few in the UK, and they are all lhd. I do get tempted with a QP4 though (preferably a V8 manual, rather than the V6).

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PostPosted: 19:08 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

getyerkneedown wrote:

Dude!

I had a 1.4 pug 106 quick silver, and its pretty much the same damned car as your saxo...

And it was far from boring to drive.. plenty of over steer made corners on yorkshires twisty roads more than fun, the box was ok, and as the peddles were close together, double de cluching on the way down the box wasnt too difficult.

The brakes were good and i found it an absolute hoot to drive.

GYKD.


Yeh the back end comes out even though its a front drive car pretty easy. Cool Span out 4 times though and drive really sensibly now though. Smile

The brakes on mine are really really really really shit, all saxo brakes are shite as standard and i always hit both pedals instead of either the brake or accelerator. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Johnny 'XX' wrote:
Pointless excersise,
As the car has a fully sychromesh gearbox then doubling the clutch is only gonna wear out the cable/hydraulic slave. The need to pause on a downshift to bring engine revs up is essential to smooth driving but NOT going up the box.


He didn't mention going up or down the box, and on an up change double declutching is at best barely needed. Going down the box it still helps to keep it smooth (and I do it in my Alfa 33, and in the 155). Not really pointless Wink .

All the best

Keith


Actually Keith YES he did mention it, he said about coming down the box... 'SUZUKI' said about going UP the box (2nd to 3rd to be prescise)

It IS a complete waste of time in a synchro box, the way to make it smooth is bringing the engine revs up to match road speed when changing down.
In my stock car racing days we learnt to change up and down without using the clutch simply by adjusting engine revs and NOT attempting to change whilst under torque.
Its like locking the car door with a key to save life in the remote locking plipper.............pointless.

You'll not change my views on that, your causing excess strain on the clutch assembly for no reason.
I think you've watched 'BULLET' too many times and put yourself in McQueens Mustang LOL Wink
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
Kickstart wrote:
Between me and Charlotte. Alfa 155 2L. Alfa 33 P4. A lhd Alfa 33 1.3 (really must sort the brakes). Maserati 222SE.


I like your style..

I've been on the verge of buying an '80s Quattroporte several times..

what's the running costs like?

for the thread..

currently in a Citroen Xantia Turbo Diesel that I got for free when my mum upgraded to a new Megane coupe convertible.

project is for a lotus 7 replica using the "lightweight" kit from Robin Hood Engineering in Nottingham, and my spare thunderace engine.

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Alfa Romeo running costs.... Shocked Shocked don't even go there girlfriend.

My V6 has just cost me £140 for the belt tensioner, £50 each for idler bearings x2, £40 for the belt, £115 for a steel impellor waterpump + labour costs Shocked Shocked

However, the car goes well, runs cooler now the pump works and its the best handling car i've had in many many years, truly awesome driving experience.
210bhp with fluid handling, positive steering and oodles of Shocked Shocked appeal.

Gimme £2600 its yours
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
Actually Keith YES he did mention it, he said about coming down the box... 'SUZUKI' said about going UP the box (2nd to 3rd to be prescise)


Only after my reply Wink .

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
It IS a complete waste of time in a synchro box, the way to make it smooth is bringing the engine revs up to match road speed when changing down.


Depends how long you want the synchro to last, and how tough it is on that car. And bringing the engine revs up is part of double declutching.

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
You'll not change my views on that, your causing excess strain on the clutch assembly for no reason.


Mmm, £25 for a new clutch slave cylinder and a short bit of work to replace it or at least ten times that for new synchro rings. Tough choice.

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
I think you've watched 'BULLET' too many times and put yourself in McQueens Mustang LOL Wink


Nah, don't really fancy slow revving large cars (hence the 33).

In fact to be really honest I don't think I have ever seen the whole of Bullet Embarassed .

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:26 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
Alfa Romeo running costs.... Shocked Shocked don't even go there girlfriend.

My V6 has just cost me £140 for the belt tensioner, £50 each for idler bearings x2, £40 for the belt, £115 for a steel impellor waterpump + labour costs Shocked Shocked


Find a decent Alfa specialist and the costs are fairly reasonable (although there is not much space under the bonnet to play on a 24V V6 156). At least in the V6 you do not have a timing variator to replace.

EB Spares might be useful in future.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Johnny 'XX' wrote:
Alfa Romeo running costs.... Shocked Shocked don't even go there girlfriend.

My V6 has just cost me £140 for the belt tensioner, £50 each for idler bearings x2, £40 for the belt, £115 for a steel impellor waterpump + labour costs Shocked Shocked


Find a decent Alfa specialist and the costs are fairly reasonable (although there is not much space under the bonnet to play on a 24V V6 156). At least in the V6 you do not have a timing variator to replace.

EB Spares might be useful in future.

All the best

Keith


I got the idlers from EB but they were out of tensioners, had to scour the country as they are on back order from ITALY and NO estimated date was given. I found one in LONDON village sat on a shelf, i paid over the odds but it got the car running.

I used to have a 1500Ti AlfaSud, was brilliant handling and sounded like a wasp in a jar.... Back wheel came off with hub attached due to a rotten rear beam axle, scrapped it after that. It was a 1979 'T' reg and was only 10 yrs old when i had it, ITALIAN cars and puddles eh, not a good match in the 70's/80's.

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PostPosted: 21:31 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:
What are you talking about? You don't need to double de-clutch because it's a full synchromesh gearbox. There's nothing to gain from dropping the clutch between gears.


On a 106 or saxo the pedals are so close together theres no excuse not to be doing the 'old heel and toe' on downshifts. Razz
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
I got the idlers from EB but they were out of tensioners, had to scour the country as they are on back order from ITALY and NO estimated date was given. I found one in LONDON village sat on a shelf, i paid over the odds but it got the car running.


Alfa are getting to be a pain with spares. Quite a few bits for the 4wd 33 are no longer available, even really simple things like the bolts to hold the rear calipers on.

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
I used to have a 1500Ti AlfaSud, was brilliant handling and sounded like a wasp in a jar.... Back wheel came off with hub attached due to a rotten rear beam axle, scrapped it after that. It was a 1979 'T' reg and was only 10 yrs old when i had it, ITALIAN cars and puddles eh, not a good match in the 70's/80's.


Ouch. Explains why good Sud axles are hard to find these days. Friend has several Suds and loads of spare parts.

The Suds rusted pretty badly. 33s were not too bad (certainly not as bad as Fords standards).

P4 is good fun, with a revvy engine and fairly light for a 4wd car. Rattles a bit (less than the 155) but can't say that bothers me, and it is pretty harsh but that is only an issue on the motorway.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki wrote:
**Biker-Kev** wrote:
did you get that from T44 TEM coz i remember he said his name came from his number plate

He is T44TEM

Mark C. A Tate

Tate, M

Taatem

T44TEM

Wink



I think.


so T44TEM and markcatate is one person with two accounts?
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

**Biker-Kev** wrote:
so T44TEM and markcatate is one person with two accounts?


I am a man with many names. Laughing

I used to be markcatate when i joined then it was t44tem then back to markcatate, all equally gay names but i dont know what a good un is. Razz
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

lmao. righty, gotcha now. Thought it was identity fraud, just doing my bit for the country
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny 'XX' wrote:
GOOD TIP FOR YOU ALL.

If you have a manual gearbox please read on.

Before putting your car into reverse, depress the clutch and select 1st gear, keeping the clutch down pull it out of 1st and straight into reverse, this will eliminate the crunching / grinding noises sometimes heard when selecting reverse directly.

This method is PROVED to work, makes reverse selection easier on older vehicles and sounds kinder to the gearbox.

Johnny's tip of the day. Idea


LOL, mine goes zzzzzzzz grrrrrrrrr BANG, the whole car jerks as i go into reverse sometimes Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not really my car.....my wife's......I've got my Gixxer.....still great car to drive though....handles superbly and has a Yamaha engine in it!!!!!
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 19 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:

currently in a Citroen Xantia Turbo Diesel



Don't you just adore the wonderfully soft ride, how it glides over speed bumps at 40mph, how it slides and rolls around corners Very Happy

However, my last car owns all of the cars in this thread... it was immense, it was the special

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PostPosted: 00:10 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

not so slow either. 1.6 civic aerodeck VTEC. not exact car of course. but same model. my nan drives it (she scared the living shit out of me with it when she first got it, "lewis look at how quickly this AAAAAHHHHH" i know how careless my nan drives, at speed its suicide.) Mr. Green Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMW 325 TDS SE (145bhp), it's nice.

And Sparks, you won't insure a Turbo Impreza, you'll have to get a Sport, don't buy a GL or a GX they're pointless.
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It's not much standard, looks phat with rims though, man.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 20 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annabella wrote:
feef wrote:

currently in a Citroen Xantia Turbo Diesel



Don't you just adore the wonderfully soft ride, how it glides over speed bumps at 40mph, how it slides and rolls around corners Very Happy


i'd LOVE to get my hands on one of the 2.0 turbo Activa Xantias... they had fully active suspension, so no nasty roll on the bends, but just as smooth on the straights.

The XM had a similar thing, which was anti-dive on braking, but the "sport" mode just stiffened it all up, and you did lose a bit of straightline comfort.. still.. was no big deal to turn it on and off when you reached the appropriate road.

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