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DynamiteBoy
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Just got back home - bike rescue recovery!! Reply with quote

After my engine problems on the way into work this morning i was a bit worried about the trip home.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=73464

This is how it went:
- bike would not start after about 3-4 minutes of kicking
- on second bump the bike started and idled fine
- After 5 minutes riding through country lanes the bike started to 'judder', the engine spluttered (cutting out - through every gear)
- Not long after it completely died and left me coasting into the banking
- Engine wouldn’t start, started walking.
- Five minutes later I approach the top of a nice long hill, get on bump it up, feels fine.
- 2-3 minutes later same happens....engine dies
- Neutral light wont come on, can’t locate first gear...
- PUSH the bike for 3 miles along 60 road, sweating loads (Wales isn’t flat)
- Get to some small village, find local, ring breakdown (cos now I know where I am...)
- Wait 90 minutes before I get home

Its obvious now that I’ve mucked up the carb through my over zealous service....the bike rode back form Swansea to Cardiff ok when i first picked it up....

Because the bike was sitting for almost a year before I bought it I dismantled the carb to clean the jet's...I believe that I haven't put it back together with the correct settings...

I know its my fault and I’ve been asking for a lot of advice lately but the reason i bought this bike was so that I could LEARN with something cheap rather than loose a lot of money in the beginning.

If anyone could point me in the right place I would be grateful, im thinking it’s all down to the mixture - but as you can tell im not to be trusted. Cheers, Ow
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I had it bad when my ZXR kept breaking down and had to push it up hill for about 1km.

Just when things are going great, the damn thing breaks down...AGAIN, dont that just suck Middle Finger

Hope you get it fixed soon, wouldn't want to miss all this cold weather Very Happy
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just call it a feeling, but your problem sounds electrical to me.

Neutral light not coming on, gradual spluttering and dying.

Sounds to me like a bike that is running off battery power, battery goes flat= start pushing. A bit of rest lets the battery 'recover' for a time.

That said a CG125 shouldn't need a battery at all, produces it's own spark. Confused

I think the neutral light not coming on might be part of it though Thinking.

Just going by my ride-out today, bike (GPZ500) cut out a few times then refused to run. Neutral light wasn't coming on. I soon isolated the fault as part of the safety interlock system that stops you operating the starter with the bike in gear and the clutch out. The bike wasn't getting a signal from the neutral switch for some reason and so isolated the ignition (assuming it was in gear).

I fixed this temporarily by jamming a paperclip in the clutch switch terminals convincing the bike that the clutch was pulled in all the time. The fault is on the neutral light circuit somewhere though.

Anyway, back to your bike. It would be worth investigating why the neutral light isn't coming on, could be a similar fault to mine. Is there charge in the battery? Will it kick start with the clutch pulled in?
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sickpup
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PostPosted: 03:48 - 04 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hold on now Stinkwheel old chap! are you suggesting it's not carb icing?

Had a CG like this years ago on the hire fleet, I'll try and remember if I can what the problem was.
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DynamiteBoy
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 04 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That said a CG125 shouldn't need a battery at all, produces it's own spark.

Anyway, back to your bike. It would be worth investigating why the neutral light isn't coming on, could be a similar fault to mine. Is there charge in the battery? Will it kick start with the clutch pulled in?


I dont believe its the battery as its new and was only charged on Monday....also when i was pushing the bike along the road i had my indicators on (hoping it would make me more visiable to cars). It came back on after letting the bike cool down for a bit. The neutral light has been a funny one since i bought the bike, didnt work at all untill i changed the battery and now only when i shift from first, wont come on if i down shift from second...As you said the bike produces its own spark - so i dont believe its the battery.

When it gets lighter im gonna try and start her up again, ill try to start her with clutch in and get back to you....
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Had a CG like this years ago on the hire fleet, I'll try and remember if I can what the problem was.


Cheers sickpup that would be helpful...

On a lighter note, I booked my theory last night, so hopefully DAS should be round the corner.
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DynamiteBoy
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 04 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned previously armed with a haynes manual - lots of free time and the urge to service and clean my new baby i jumped straight in and started to dismantle parts.

In hindsight this was maybe not the best option - but i wanted a cheap winter project to ease myself into biking and the CG seemed prefect.

Looking back through my Hanyes manual i know that i adjusted the PILOT screw on the carb while the bike was running - stupidly at first i thought it was the idle speed - Reading Hanyes is says that when adjusting the pilot screw always "err slightly on the side of a rich mixture, since a weak mixture will cause the engine to overheat"

Could this stupidity be the root to all my problems?? Any help/advice/jokes/rants are welcome.... Before i go off and play with the carb i'll wait for some more good advice....thanks for being so helpful and understanding guy's....Ow

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I would also like to say thanks to all the nods and friendly acknowledgments i receive from fellow Riders while riding around - didn't expect it
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sickpup
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 04 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you adjusted the pilot screw yes it could well be running rich which would give some of the bad running symptoms you have
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 04 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Hold on now Stinkwheel old chap! are you suggesting it's not carb icing?


Can't remember who told me this, but there is a saying "80% of carb faults are electrical.".
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