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PostPosted: 23:44 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torque - The moment of a force; the measure of a force's tendency to produce torsion and rotation about an axis, equal to the vector product of the radius vector from the axis of rotation to the point of application of the force and the force vector.

BHP - The actual or useful horsepower of an engine, usually determined from the force exerted on a friction brake or dynamometer connected to the drive shaft.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think torque is how much physical pulling power it has, and bhp is how fast it can make that power,

Something like that, ive heard it soo many times but I still dont really get it.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

BHP is power. Torque is twisting effect.

You answered your question yourself.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never got it either. You need to have some physics knowledge to understand it on any level. Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no! Not this question, please Laughing


Torque is the force with which your engine turns. The revs are the speed at which it is turning. HorsePower is just a way of expressing the two things together to give a means of comparing engine performances that people can understand.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay_666 wrote:
Torque - The moment of a force; the measure of a force's tendency to produce torsion and rotation about an axis, equal to the vector product of the radius vector from the axis of rotation to the point of application of the force and the force vector.

BHP - The actual or useful horsepower of an engine, usually determined from the force exerted on a friction brake or dynamometer connected to the drive shaft.


That means sweet FA to me.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

markcatate wrote:
jay_666 wrote:
Torque - The moment of a force; the measure of a force's tendency to produce torsion and rotation about an axis, equal to the vector product of the radius vector from the axis of rotation to the point of application of the force and the force vector.

BHP - The actual or useful horsepower of an engine, usually determined from the force exerted on a friction brake or dynamometer connected to the drive shaft.


That means sweet FA to me.


Basically, torque is the twisting effect and BHP is a way of measuring the usefull power created....i think
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine (in terms of something more quantifiable than a load of physics) that the BHP can result in a fast vehicle whereas torque will result in a vehicle with grunt (think pulling power, accelerating uphill etc). A diesel's torque is what makes it good for pulling caravans etc, but it'll be sod all use on a race track.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torque is a measurement of the force exerted when the wheels are twisting.

BHP is how hard it 'pulls'.

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PostPosted: 23:57 - 07 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Torque is a measurement of the force exerted when the wheels are twisting.

BHP is how hard it 'pulls'.

Toby.


isn't it the crank? or does that not really matter?
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still dont Confused Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torque is how hard you can punch, power is how many times you can punch in a given time.
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PostPosted: 01:41 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You use torque to open a jam jar lid.

You use horsepower to pull the jar across the table.
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PostPosted: 02:47 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

work done = force x distance
work done = torque x revolutions

power = (work done / time)

(work done/ time ) = torque x rev/time

power = torque x rpm x constant of proportionality

so the higher the torque or the rpm, or both, the higher the power (bhp)
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PostPosted: 03:00 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

COLINWALL wrote:
work done = force x distance
work done = torque x revolutions

power = (work done / time)

(work done/ time ) = torque x rev/time

power = torque x rpm x constant of proportionality

so the higher the torque or the rpm, or both, the higher the power (bhp)


Can tell you done the same Uni degree as me. Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torque is some crappy bike film. BHP is a bike accessory place.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jap performance cars, such as the Integra Type-r can get away with having 200 HP and about 130lb/ft of torque (despite the small amount of torque, a large amount of horsepower is produced due to the amazing speed with which the motors spin) as they weigh very little and are made out of cardboard and held together with chewing gum. If you tried the same thing in the Buick getting on for 2.5 tons, it just wouldn't go anywhere, so has 500 Lb/ft of torque compare to only 400 hp.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

torque is more important then, as far as we are concerned.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

cagiva gezzer wrote:
Torque is how hard you can punch, power is how many times you can punch in a given time.


I like it! xXx
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

cqueen wrote:
torque is more important then, as far as we are concerned.

yes
lots of magazines used to say POWER is everything. but power comes from an equation based on the torque!
big power is normally only available from the top-end (e.g. new r6 and new r1). they may have ultimate horsepower, but thats only at 17,000rpm! to achieve high horsepower values, you may need to compensate the torque (hence r1 and r6 have no torque!).
torque is what you realistically use on the road, in the middle of the rev range.
next time you look at a new bike in a mag-look at its torque curve rather than power curve. you don't pull off always from the lights at a million rpm!
hence thats why i think you should buy a 636 rather than an r6-anyone read the latest "bike" will agree
hope this helps
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now thats all as clear as mud, its time to chuck a little something else in to confuse the kids.

When you open the throttle at low revs and the bike picks up lot of power, that is not because it has lots of torque. That is because it has lots of low down power.

Twins do not have more torque than fours, they often have less. They do however generally have more low down and midrange power. They are producing more torque at lower revs, whereas the fours tend to pick it up later on.

Still not a clue? Torque is a good thing, you like to have it.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another example.

Go to a hinged door in your house.

Put your finger near the hinge, and push.

Your finger/arm/etc is the engine, the door is the chain/sprockets/wheel. You can imagine the edge of the door (with the handle and lock) as the outside edge of your wheel.

Your arm (engine) provides power, which is converted into torque through the door (chain, sprockets, wheel). Depending on the length of the door and where on the door you push (size of sprockets, wheel, gearing, etc) a different torque is created from the power provided.

The combination of power and torque, gives you the resulting movement of the edge of the door (wheel).

I'm sure that makes it crystal to you all. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
Now thats all as clear as mud, its time to chuck a little something else in to confuse the kids.

Twins do not have more torque than fours, they often have less. They do however generally have more low down and midrange power. They are producing more torque at lower revs, whereas the fours tend to pick it up later on.


EDIT: dont just look at the pretty curves and not read the description! Smile
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read this!

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PostPosted: 13:03 - 08 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its really hard to explain this, just one of those things to understand.

Ok. Practical example of torque.

If attach a turbocharger to an engine, you are using that turbo in boost torque primarily. The turbo forces in more air, so more fuel can be burnt. More air and fuel gives a bigger bang, this bigger bang is an example of more torque.

The power produced is then torque X revs.
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