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[MalcolmT]

Keith,

What actually is SORN ?

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Statutory Off Road Notification.

Basically if you do not fill in some useless paperwork to say your vehicle is off the road when the tax runs out then they do you for it. Not like they cannot take the hint that because the tax has run out that it is off the road.

Oh, and the notification only lasts a year.

All the best

Keith
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[MalcolmT]

Keith

We've never been able to stop and start with the road licence (tax). If you take the bike off the road for a couple of years then you pay back tax plus a fine. I got caught out with this when rebuilt a Suzy GT-380 cost me a couple of hundred quid. Then I rebuilt a Yam XS-750 that was scrapped. There was no back tax to pay but what a mission to re-register it when the officials can't even spell Yamaha on the paperwork .

Cheers Malcolm

[Kickstart]

Hi

Until a few years ago there was no problem having a break in taxation here. Then they decided that Swansea could do with a few more people off benefits and to rip road users off a bit more.

All the best

Keith
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[Stevie GooGs]

[kal9001]

thething in south africa, when they come looking for your TV you greet em with you and two mates with AK-47's and fullbody armour...doyou think that would come into the reasonable force law we have over here?

its pretty obvious that the SORN thing was set up due to people not taxing their cars, and thus it is far easier to give us all abit of inconveniance rather then chase upthe scum bags who try to get away with it.

i can only imagine the insurace thing is the same. think of it this way, just be gald you arent a car collector
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Anyone stupid enough to think we will drag a load of wooden horses full of soldiers into our city is certanley stupid enough to drag all of ours into theirs!

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[distortion]

Kieth is a collector alright - god knows how many bikes and other vehicles he's got in his garage

[Simple]

surely the insurance of Sorn'd vehicles would be arguable as I'd class my Varadero under contents insurance along with chainsaws and other bits and bobs?
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[Kickstart]

Hi

The bike would not be covered for 3rd party injuries.

All the best

Keith
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[Simple]

but if its sorn'd its on private land so cant injure anyone..

the washing line is more dangerous
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[loply]

I cant find the part in the document that states you have to insure an off-road vehicle, howver, I noticed that the alcohol ignition interlocks only apply to convicted drink-drivers, which sounds ideal to me.

Carefull not to knee-jerk, this bill is trying to make people to drive better, and thats good news for motorcyclists - Who generally suffer severe consequences of car drivers mistakes.
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[Simple]

yes but often the people these new laws are made to catch or detterr are the ones who are ignorant to them and don't give a damn regardless....

Just more limits on law abiding peeps
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[Kickstart]

Quite, and if it is not on the road because it isn't taxed, why do they need some pointless form to tell them it isn't taxed.

All you need cover for is 3rd party liability when it is on the highway. There is no reason why you should need cover for it when it is not on the highway.

All the best

Keith
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[loply]

Actually the new bill does not require SORN'ed vehicles to be insured.

I dont know why the original poster said it did.

As far as I can see it's mostly unimportant changes, reduces speeding fines to 2 points for minor offences, and obliges convicted drink drivers to fit an alcohol lock.

What's the big fuss about?
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[loply]

With regards to whether SORN is a waste of time or not, I think its quite good.

I accidentally let my bike go untaxed for 2 months, and I run a fairly large company for a living - So god help less organised people, or those who don't feel very inclinced to pay their tax.

Atleast by forcing you to either tax it or SORN it, the government are undoubtedly reducing the number of untaxed (and therefore uninsured) vehicles on the road, which IMO is good news for bikers (ever been hit by an untaxed & uninsured car?).

Admittedly the SORN form is a mild inconvenience, but IMO it's no big deal.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

So they need a piece of paper to tell them I am not taxing a vehicle? It is hardly like they do anything to chase up the SORN notice, so it does nothing to stop people accidently or deliberatly not paying their VED.

Just because it is not taxed DOES NOT mean it is not insured. The insurance company might try and get out of claims from the owner but they have to still cover the 3rd party liability.

I cannot find the original bill to find what the exemptions are, but there is nothing in new act that would allow you to own an uninsured vehicle.

As to the reduced points, in the orignal consultation the speeds to get 2 points was around the level where currently nobody would bother with a penalty.

All the best

Keith
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