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Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

Here is more proof that speed cameras are nothing to do with safety.

https://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2045689,00.html

Hiding cameras and putting them on roads on which people speed but don't have accidents.

All the best

Keith

HerbalDayZ · Banned Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Karma :

Nice post Kickstart .Stop reading so much your head wont handle it
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kal9001 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Karma :

hidden cameras serve only to make money, if noone sees them then they will just do the same speed and have the same problems as before the cam was there, but the govenment makes more money.

ifyou have visable cams outside schools and such, then people slow down, itdoesnt make as much money, but it does make the road safer for people.

what would you choose.

can i also point out that there was more in that then this, it also states that local councils cant keep the money from the fines, and it goes to a centeral fund that is then spread out according to need not greed. this will put less temptation on the local authority to put cams in money making positions.

I think that the local council shud be alowed to place cams, in built up areas where people are shown to be speeding alot (i.e. 60 in 40 and 30 zones) camera limits shud be set ATLEAST 5~10MPH above the limit to cancel out any inaccuracy (and lets be honest who desont do 35/40 in a 30)

in non built up areas cams can only be placed where there have been PROBLEMS (i.e. accidents) with speed

with both cases if there have been accidents then that 5~10MPH headroom can be eliminated.

also along with cameras there shud be something notifying drivers of why the cam is there i.e.asign for the school, or a accident site to make people aware of WHY they shud slow down saying "cos its the law" doesnt realy convince people notto do it

when you ask your mother if you can go out with your mates tonight and she says "no", you ask why and she says "because I say so" just brings to mind that all they want to do is control for no reason what so ever.

excess money from cams that isnt spent on more cams, or other traffic measures shud be given to the DSA who could use that to train drivers better and thus cause less accidents.
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veeeffarr · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

I don't speed in 30's/40's either, much to the constant pisstaking of my mates Sad

Chriss · World Chat Champion Joined: 07 May 2005 Karma :

Ditto to the no speeding in posted speed limits.
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Deano · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Karma :

they take us for idiots, if they were really that bothered about speeders by school for instance they would install a few speed humps where people would have to slow down. problem solved. yet instead their trying to fill their pockets. they see £££ when they know they can use a camera for a safety measure.

kal9001 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Karma :

they have to compensate for the loss of revenue from smoking.
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killa · Won't Shut Up Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Karma :

As if they don’t do this already Rolling Eyes

I was caught by a van that was a plain white Transit sat in a lay-by, the only thing that would have given it away was the yellow and black markings on the rear doors which obviously are open so you can’t see them when it is colleting money for the day.
Which incidentally is my beef with them, they aren’t there all the time, usually sunny days, weekends, where speeds are over the limit, regardless of conditions.

Most cameras that catch you going over a red light are grey boxes.

Police with hand held cameras hide behind bushes.

Where I live, in the past month almost every road now has a large red patch with the speed indicated in white, it looks horrible and makes the riding so restricted.
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stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

All the speed cameras in Aberdeenshire have a flourescent red and yellow plate on them.

So picture this you are riding down the A90 from Aberdeen to Dundee.

Road is clear, huge amount of visability, you are carrying on minding your own business.
https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/scamera.jpg

Now, how much attention are you paying?

See the roadsign? Count the poles.

Now let's look at the same piece of road but from the central reservation:

https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/scamera2.jpg

So, not for revenue earning? Why bother putting the flourescent plate on it in the first place? You aren't telling me that is not deliberate.
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killa · Won't Shut Up Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Karma :

Good post Stinkwheel.... Cool

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Vin · World Chat Champion Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Karma :

Re stinkwheels post.
It looks from the pictures that there are no marks in the road to calculate the speed. I have noticed these are also missing on some parts of the M25. Am I right that they are necessary to nick you for speeding. Sorry to go a bit off topic.
Agree with all the complaints against speed cameras they are nothing to do with safety.

stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

There are 'ruler' markings, just very small ones, like 'ticks' sticking out from the white lines at either side of the road. You can't see them due to the foreshortening.
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killa · Won't Shut Up Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Karma :

Thinking about it, what arguments can you have against this??#

They make out like that’s it, no two ways about it, you’re wrong, we’re right.

Imagine if you felt so strongly about this and won the lottery, you could make a short advertisement about the use of cameras and how the accident figures haven’t dropped dramatically because of them.

The people injured or killed by emergency vehicles is greater than the ones by the public aren’t they?

Imagine CCTV footage of it happening, and comments on screen like ‘They aren’t all angels’ or something, make it harrowing and make people think, just as they do. Accept this time it isn’t about money. Wink

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kb-zxr · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Karma :

Hmmmm. How long until they get destroyed then Rolling Eyes

Recently read on here alterations to speeding/points coming into effect. Cough up.

Are speed camera images stored onboard a camera, or go direct to a external database?

XS1954 · Spanner Monkey Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Karma :

The camera is higher than the sign in the third picure but upon approach it is not visible at all. It also appears to be pointing towards the grass verge and not the road. Is this picture real?
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Irezumi aka Reuben · Carrot Top Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Karma :

This, and other questionable road safety measures, will lead to one of two things happening. People will go everywhere as the government want being nice little citizens.

Or they will ride/drive their vehicles as they fit, even if it requires no licence, no insurance, no MOT, no Tax and evasion of the Police should they come across you.

What will you all end up doing?
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kb-zxr · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Karma :

I'm gonna guess that you got caught by that camera then, and the photos were to prove it doesn't meet current regulations.

If so, did you win the case?

Bullet · Trackday Trickster Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Karma :

im gona get ripped for this no doubt, but speed cameras can have a reasonable place in road safety, but in my opinion they are implemented in a way that is totally out of order at the moment.. more cameras blah blah blah, do what we want with the funds (more cameras instead of proper policing) but on the flip side how you guys can argue that cameras in dangerous spots and outside schools where thusfar no accidents have occured is a bad idea worries me, speeding infront of a school isnt just stupid, its utterly retarded. fixed hidden cameras are not the answer, stick with the high visability / high profile cameras but make them mobile.... and attach a copper that can actually judge for themselves with some level of reason as to if it was sufficiantly dangerous to warrent the bollocking! we have one such mobile van/copper on the island and numerous pointless fixed cameras that achieve nothing except 50 yards where everyone slows down and their concentration on the road lapses...

visable coppers with cameras allowed wherever they like Thumbs Up

hidden stealthy fixed cameras allowed where they like Thumbs Down

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