how do you get past the no experience barrier?

[Itchy]

nowt to see here

[Irezumi aka Reuben]

Have yet to find the answer. Getting a sex change (assuming your male here) appear's to be the only answer I've seen so far.
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[Retro-Man]

skills shortages??

it's the way of things I'm afraid

take the IT bubble as an example, there was a skills shortage in this field so employers were having to attract new employees by offering high salarys and accepting little experience.

word gets around that anybody can do this IT lark and get paid buckets of cash.

Loads of people start training in IT, employers have a bigger choice in whom they employ, and start offering lower salarys and demanding higher experience.

people move away from IT until there is another skills shortage and the whole cycle starts again.

The magic trick is to choose a profession which is currently at the beginning of the cycle.
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[Marcg868]

So looks like its more learning then! Im 20 years old and my god i wish i was still at college, just if i was still there id be in Amsterdam pissed out me fucking face without a care in the world, whereas now i staring the reality of getting old in the face and it hurts.


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[woo]

I know the feeling, im just finishing my accounting & finance degree with exams coming up this may and need to get a job in an accounting firm with whom i can stay with for a minium of 3-5yrs and sponsor me to do ACCA profesional exams.

It feels like there is no hope as everyone wants experience of which i have none but if you dont employ me how am i going to get it.

Well despite that two of my mates who have no experience have just got jobs with different companies who will pay for them to do ACCA and are on £15,000p.a. and the other is on £20,000

So i guess there is still hope for us.
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[TOM M]

This is something i will probably have to face when i finish uni in another 2 odd years.
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[colin1]

a lot of people get jobs or work placements through contacts
if you dont have those, you have to try to make them

if I knew how its done, I wdnt be applying for call centre jobs when ive got a degree in mechanical engineering

i have thought about doing what recruitment agencies do which is ring every company they can find and see if any of the companies are looking for work.

should do it really but im not very optimistic about success, so I'll stick to applying for shitty jobs that i have to pretent that i really really want
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[RickHolt]

I've just got a job, starting at 13k. Will be on 15k later this year. The jobs are out there, you just need to look. Don't waste time complaining and writing about it, just get out and look. Think of something you might want to do as a job and try googling it.

Can't really give much advice, it's not that complicated, you just need to put in the effort until you get a result.

Rick.

[Itchy]

oh I know although I like to think of myself as a optimistic person being knocked back time and time again for months and having to do a crap job can somewhat dent ones confidence in oneself.

then again its 1134PM not much hunting to be done now

[Zimbo]

You start lower down the ladder, that's how.
If you're expecting to land that job that requires 3 - 4 year's experience, and you haven't got the experience, then perhaps you're aiming at too high a level as a start point? Start at the bottom, even if it means getting the job that doesn't require your qualifications, and get the experience under your belt. Then get the job you want.

[Itchy]

Starting way low at the bottom is a great idea 'cept those bottom of the ladder jobs also have 2-3 year experience requirements

[Marcg868]

I need to try and find any job really as long as its customer service orientated in the Greater Manchester Area, preferably Manchester city centre as im moving to Lower Broughton soon.
Im think RBS call centre, O2 call centre, not exacly what i want but it gives me the experience that i need.
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[yambabe]

As far as accounting goes, it depends where you're looking to end up Itchy.

If you want to be working in industry then you will generally need experience at some level unless you hit lucky and get a job through contacts.

Similarly if you want to work for yourself you will need to be able to show some relevant experience when tendering for contracts because lets face it would you trust your own money to someone who might know all the theory but has never actaully done the job?

However, if you were to go into an established Accountancy Practice you will rarely need any experience at all because they train people and supply study support, the bigger the firm the more support you're likely to get. It's about the closest you can get to an apprenticeship these days!

So the usual path is to join a practice as a trainee on OK money (starting will notmally be £16-22k plus study), get a recognised qualification and some experience under your belt and then go after the bigger-paying jobs or start out on your own.
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[Itchy]

[yambabe]

Maybe you need to ask more questions at application/interview stage?

Have you tried using the recruitment services of the AAT, ACCA or CIMA? They tend to be quite helpful.
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[Itchy]

oh I ask all these questions they say yes study support is included , hours are this and that , and this ISN'T a short contract , the moment I start however things change and all these promises do not materialise, shysters everywhere it seems.

hmm I'd forgotten about the ACCA/AAT jobs thing I'll have a look


actually scrub that , I've not paid my ACCA fees for a while , which were promised by the job before my previous job no fees = no access

[Itchy]

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[carlnicholson...]

Well, I did 4 years in the RAF. Joined when I was 17 and left at 21.

I have had 8 jobs since then and have been able to walk straight in to every one of them. Even the job doing security for bands was a breeze to get. As soon as an employer sees the armed forces on a CV, more than half the battle is won.

The guy who took me on for the job I have now said that I wouldn't have got it without having the RAF behind me. I am now on £20,000 for very little work.

Personally, I believe joining the forces for even the minimum time of just a few years well set you up for life in many ways. Thats what I'ld recommend.
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[Itchy]

hmm thats probably why all my peers who studied with me fell so quickly into local jobs, my university buds were almost ALL ex army a couple of marines , a couple of paras and an ex RN commando (didn't check this guy so it might have been a lie) , they all fell into jobs a couple days after graduation.

While I had to scour the entire country to find a job and do all sorts of crap things in the mean time.

I'm not so sure though as min terms are 2-3 years aren't they? , and I am a weakling and generally try to avoid trouble rather than get into it ie get sent to afganistan/iraq , + piss poor eye sight physical condition and being a bit older all go against me, saying that I ALMOST joined up as a army courier my parents would not like it one bit (they'd probably say we didn't have a son to join the army , and it'd be a waste of your extremely hefty education (I went all the way and then some )) being shot at while couriering is probably still safer than London couriering.


still at least I have something to preoccupy myself , the fire did not cause too much damage and I just have to replace the tank , seat and side panels though it does still run though haha. Tell you more about it in the chatroom sometime.

[BFG]

Just keep applying. If you don't apply, you'll never know. Expect at best to get a 5% return on your applications. That means if you apply for 100 jobs, expect only 5 interviews with good chances.

Don't think that if you weren't selected the first time that you shouldn't apply again. Many times someone says yes to a job and then they don't turn up - so always follow up.
Have you tried auditing? Most auditing jobs require accountancy qualifications.

[Itchy]

[kawakid]

Some firms have a graduate recruitement program.

Mine is a bit odd though, they employ graduates who have about 2 years experience in the real world.

It is so hard.

When I graduated(12 years ago), I was lucky because during my course I had a 1 year placement (Sandwich course).

It was soo funny when applying for jobs, no one seemed bothered about my universitiy course and what I did, they just wanted to know what I did on my year out.
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[Rookie]

This isn't much good to you unfortunately, but Greg (Instigator) told me about University sponsorship programmes, where you sign on to a company to work for them during the holidays, and then have a contract to work for them for a year or 2 when you leave uni. If you're lucky, you can get paid a small amount each year just to go to uni, too. (£500, I was told as an example.)

I'm going to enquire about those the first week I get to university.

[Itchy]

[Itchy]