Help & FAQs    Search BCF    Members    Groups    Events Calendar
Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


What makes a computer 'safe'?

 Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Geek Zone Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 02:05 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
derbisenda16 wrote:
Dos is the basline of windows............ Rolling Eyes

Some viruses embed themselfs into this so nothing running on windows can remove them....To remove them you need to boot into dos and remove them manually.... thats what it means.


You are talking complete and utter shit.

HTH

Toby
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 02:09 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
Viruses are a pain in the arse. Anyone who says they aren't a problem has simply been lucky not to have been hit by a nasty one.


Aye, not as bad as the older viruses that would allocated too much power and fry the motherboard. I've heard of one that caused the hard disk needle to seek right though the fucking surface of the platter.

Quote:
Some of them even allow a third party to take over your computer remotely.


An alarming amount of hacks and virus infections are actually exploits of human trust, rather than code.

I take it you're HerbalDayZ come back to haunt us then?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

instigator
Super Spammer



Joined: 19 Oct 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 06:31 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Have tried them all but disliked them all in the end.

Don't use any now to be honest. Although they do run at start up, I just close the stupid things down. Evil or Very Mad Takes up to much memory and slows the net down.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

derbisenda16
Nitrous Nuisance



Joined: 13 Apr 2006
Karma :
PostPosted: 14:54 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:

got onto the boot sector of the hard drive and fucked it.

remotely.


Thats imposible ..the boot part of the computer is the ROM..read only memory and it can not be effected or over written...Do you mean it got into the Operating systems boot sequence and fucked that>
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

senna_f4
Scooby Slapper



Joined: 04 Apr 2006
Karma :
PostPosted: 16:04 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
derbisenda16 wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:

got onto the boot sector of the hard drive and fucked it.

remotely.


Thats imposible ..the boot part of the computer is the ROM..read only memory and it can not be effected or over written...Do you mean it got into the Operating systems boot sequence and fucked that>


Stinkwheel is correct. Derbisenda, have you heard of NTLDR, GRUB or LILO, they are boot loaders, the first is the windows one. They all reside on the boot sector and if a virus corupts them you canot boot from that drive.
Though it is quite easy to fix the boot sector, if you have suitable tools.
____________________
"You don't know the power of the dark side."
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 16:18 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
derbisenda16 wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:

got onto the boot sector of the hard drive and fucked it.

remotely.


Thats imposible ..the boot part of the computer is the ROM..read only memory and it can not be effected or over written...Do you mean it got into the Operating systems boot sequence and fucked that>


You should really stop posting in the Geek Zone forum now, you have proved to know absolutely bugger all, so STFU.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

craigie b
Citizen Smith



Joined: 26 Jul 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 16:30 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Go onto a bit torrent site and download the corporate version of symantec antivirus. For some unbeknown reason it doesn't require registering, thus doesn't need cracked. Corporate protection for free.

If your using a broadband connection then invest in a hardware firewall/router then your as safe a houses! I wouldn;t bother with software firewalls as they use resources and aren;t as secure.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

WildGoose
White Van Man



Joined: 21 Mar 2002
Karma :
PostPosted: 16:46 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
Viruses are a pain in the arse. Anyone who says they aren't a problem has simply been lucky not to have been hit by a nasty one.

When I first got this computer, it was hit by three viruses when it first connected to the internet to update the antivirus data. One of them was the blaster worm, this makes your computer shutdown 30 seconds after connecting to the internet. Within three minutes of connecting to the internet it was totally unusable.


agreed, they are a big problem and a big pain and the arse, and selective viewing of sites and links isnt gonna help a damn to prevent you getting screwed over by them

i remember last year, me and bro were formatting our pc at home, and upon reinstalling windows, and then going to microsoft to update. the anti virus software couldnt update quick enough before the pc got totally fucked over, ended up having to format 3 times in one night

and it was a total pain in the arse, not particularly impressed with any software as stuff still manages to get into any pc ive used, but some is better than none
____________________
So in other words, he stopped you for being flagrantly in posession of a motorcycle in direct contravention of the Hippies, Darkies and People Whose Face I Don't Like The Look of (Police Powers) Act. 1976
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

JonB
Afraid of Mileage



Joined: 03 Jun 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 17:02 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seems quite a few of you have problems reformatting a PC because of viruses, I would recommend streamlining Service Pack 2 within the original Windows XP disc and then use that as your boot disk.

There are websites that show you how to do this, but I can't be arsed to find them. Mr. Green

As for Norton corporate, yeah it is cool that it's free but NORTON is shit. You might as well email a hacker and tell him to hack you, seriously it will tell you that you have a virus but it won't get rid of it will it!
____________________
Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

numark1
Scared of girls



Joined: 10 May 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 17:11 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just found norton to be a resource hog. Confused
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 18:16 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not forgetting that a lot of viruses and trojan horse programs copy themselves to places other than the hard drive...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
m99dws This post is not being displayed because it has a low rating (Abusive). Unhide this post / all posts.

MarJay
But it's British!



Joined: 15 Sep 2003
Karma :
PostPosted: 22:26 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
derbisenda16 wrote:

Thats imposible ..the boot part of the computer is the ROM..read only memory and it can not be effected or over written...Do you mean it got into the Operating systems boot sequence and fucked that>


The boot part of the computer hasn't been on ROM since the Commodore Amiga back in the 90's. That was a computer without a hard disc drive.

Modern PC's have a BIOS which controls the most basic IO function of a PC. The actual boot process begins after the BIOS has triggered it , and begins on the PC's hard disc drive. Hence the expression 'boot sector' on a hard disc.

Maybe its time to listen at school! Smile
____________________
British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
Remember kids, bikes aren't like lego. You can't easily take a part from one bike and then fit it to another.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

djr
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Karma :
PostPosted: 22:42 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
derbisenda16 wrote:

Thats imposible ..the boot part of the computer is the ROM..read only memory and it can not be effected or over written...Do you mean it got into the Operating systems boot sequence and fucked that>


You sir... ARE a numpty... you never heard of upgrading your bios?


MarJay wrote:


The boot part of the computer hasn't been on ROM since the Commodore Amiga back in the 90's. That was a computer without a hard disc drive.

Modern PC's have a BIOS which controls the most basic IO function of a PC. The actual boot process begins after the BIOS has triggered it , and begins on the PC's hard disc drive. Hence the expression 'boot sector' on a hard disc.


Geek.

MarJay wrote:

Maybe its time to listen at school! Smile


Wouldn't help, I don't know what they taught in schools when "you were a lad" but these days the only things that get taught are microsoft word, microsoft excel, microsoft publisher and microsoft access.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

JonB
Afraid of Mileage



Joined: 03 Jun 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:25 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
dav^^ wrote:

Wouldn't help, I don't know what they taught in schools when "you were a lad" but these days the only things that get taught are microsoft word, microsoft excel, microsoft publisher and microsoft access.

Exactly, which isn't a true reflection on ICT skills as I am crap at using all of those programs, yet I can put together a PC and make it run smoothly, but my only reflection of this is a D in ICT GCSE, just because I hate using Microsoft Office.
____________________
Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

NSR Mick
World Chat Champion



Joined: 26 Jun 2005
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:25 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
And the easiest way to get pissed off is install zone alarm. It's the equivalent of aol (i.e. for people who dont know any better)

a lot of people these days have routers which will stop everyones worst nightmare, blaster (a badly written virus by the way as it was supposed to initiate a DOS attack on microsofts update servers but instead caused windows to get a sulk on and shut down) so unless you open sites you shouldnt or click on dodgy links you'll be ok any way.

before any one disagrees i am an engineer installing servers for IBM in large corps so i think i know what i'm talking about.

at home i have an ms isa server with norton 2006 and ms defender on my laptop and have no problems.
____________________
If you dont like the way that I ride.......Stop trying to keep up!!!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

JonB
Afraid of Mileage



Joined: 03 Jun 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:29 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
My eyes!

I can't believe you just slated ZoneAlarm and then went on to say you use Norton 2006!

The best AntiVirus program I have used so far is Trend Micro PC Cillin 2006. It's easy to use, doesn't affect PC's Performance and when I have been unlucky to get a virus it actually quarantines it and isolates it.
____________________
Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

djr
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:32 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:
And the easiest way to get pissed off is install zone alarm. It's the equivalent of aol (i.e. for people who dont know any better)


Couldn't agree more... Dell make me hate them as when you buy a pc from them the first thing you have to do is remove AOL, Tiscali, Wannado broadband e.t.c.

Also hate zone Alarm... why on earth does default settings stop outlook connecting to a pop3 server FFS :@ ?


gsxrmick wrote:
at home i have an ms isa server with norton 2006 and ms defender on my laptop and have no problems.


ISA server is lovely! Why would you want to run norton though?
I'd rather run without antivirus then use that Neutral even makes my 4000+ 64 bit machine with 2 gig of memory and raid 0 raptors run slowly Sad.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

djr
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:37 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jon B wrote:
My eyes!

I can't believe you just slated ZoneAlarm and then went on to say you use Norton 2006!


Slating ZoneAlarm is what professionals do. I still have to question why Norton is still used by anyone! Infact, I have to wonder why symantec are still a company making profit!
Jon B wrote:

The best AntiVirus program I have used so far is Trend Micro PC Cillin 2006. It's easy to use, doesn't affect PC's Performance and when I have been unlucky to get a virus it actually quarantines it and isolates it.


AVG or Avast are the best free AV software's around at the minute.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

NSR Mick
World Chat Champion



Joined: 26 Jun 2005
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:37 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
dav^^ wrote:
ISA server is lovely! Why would you want to run norton though?


I do a lot of work on customers sites not knowing what there anti-virus policy is, try 2006 its not that bad, really. its worm protection seems to work pretty well too.
____________________
If you dont like the way that I ride.......Stop trying to keep up!!!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

JonB
Afraid of Mileage



Joined: 03 Jun 2004
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:38 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I use ZoneAlarm Pro, which I have found to be a much better program than Norton Was!

I tried out Panda Internet Security 2006 Platinum edition but that made my Laptop run like a complete dog!
____________________
Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

NSR Mick
World Chat Champion



Joined: 26 Jun 2005
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:43 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Norton Anti-Virus and Zone alarm do 2 different things, why compare them.

And I really dont need to be asked whether outlook express is allowed to access the internet. ffs my 1 year old daughter could answer that. zone alarm is more hassle than its worth, whats wrong with sp2's firewall?
____________________
If you dont like the way that I ride.......Stop trying to keep up!!!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

djr
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:45 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:
dav^^ wrote:
ISA server is lovely! Why would you want to run norton though?


I do a lot of work on customers sites not knowing what there anti-virus policy is, try 2006 its not that bad, really. its worm protection seems to work pretty well too.


I'll hunt for a free trial some time and give it a go but last time I used it every time you open outlook, copy files across a network, backup data, zip files e.t.c it made my machine run like a complete dog and hammered my hard drive Sad.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

djr
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:49 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
gsxrmick wrote:
Norton Anti-Virus and Zone alarm do 2 different things, why compare them.

He's probably talking about the *ahem* software that is norton internet security

Quote:
And I really dont need to be asked whether outlook express is allowed to access the internet. ffs my 1 year old daughter could answer that. zone alarm is more hassle than its worth, whats wrong with sp2's firewall?
It doesn't block outgoing packets so tends to be a little more trouble then it's worth certainly in an office enviroment(certainly a development house like my work), best practise is either to enforce it through group policy with a decent rules list or to turn it off entirely through group policy... I'm not even commenting here on home use but I don't really have a problem with it for that kind of use.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

NSR Mick
World Chat Champion



Joined: 26 Jun 2005
Karma :
PostPosted: 23:57 - 21 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
norton internet security is the work of the devil Twisted Evil

I agree that group policies etc are the way to go but to be fair how many people have a 2003 dc at home (me excluded Very Happy )

if you want to try norton 2006 dav pm me. Very Happy
____________________
If you dont like the way that I ride.......Stop trying to keep up!!!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 18 years, 10 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Geek Zone All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Page 2 of 3

 
 You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 
Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.11 Sec - Server Load: 1 - MySQL Queries: 17 - Page Size: 142.75 Kb