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PostPosted: 22:24 - 19 Apr 2006    Post subject: new speeding technology in MCN Reply with quote

anyway read MCN where they were talking about the new speeding technology, where satelites track your vehciles for hundreds ofmiles and if u speed they get u done. its ballocks if it ocmes in, where will there be freedom on the roads if its introduced!
also off topic but the fucking petrol costs!!! the bastards!
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 19 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why's this in workshop?

I wouldn't believe everything you read (especially in MCN) their journalistic style is somewhat alarmist.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 20 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weird,

Judging by what he's saying this looks like it's a reply to a post gone wrong.
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 20 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think satelites would be used very often for that sort of thing as they have important things to do. Probably technically possible but not financially viable.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not financially Viable? Imagine the amount of speeders will get caught...
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

COLINWALL wrote:
i dont think satelites would be used very often for that sort of thing as they have important things to do. Probably technically possible but not financially viable.

The idea is to use GPS to track your vehicles journey. It's a bit like the average-speed cameras in some places, except that it'd work anywhere. It goes hand in hand with the "pay-per-mile" idea, as well.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its a gps sytem rather than an eye in the sky watching us, then every vehicle would need to have a black box

that would be a big undertaking
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean ANPR? Where they track where everyone is going and the like...
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

COLINWALL wrote:
if its a gps sytem rather than an eye in the sky watching us, then every vehicle would need to have a black box

that would be a big undertaking


Nah, they would just make it compulsory on new cars, and make it an MOT requirement shortly afterwards.

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PostPosted: 23:19 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
COLINWALL wrote:
if its a gps sytem rather than an eye in the sky watching us, then every vehicle would need to have a black box

that would be a big undertaking


Nah, they would just make it compulsory on new cars, and make it an MOT requirement shortly afterwards.

All the best

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I've said it before and will say it again, if this actually comes into use I'll be moving abroad as soon as physically possible. I've heard/read somewhere that the GPS system is currently in use on some police cars in some part of the UK to test it all out but dont know how true that is.. sounds pretty viable though.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

There is a fleet of cars running round Leeds with a GPS speed limiter system fitted, and they now have a 600 Bandit running with the same system.

By the way, new passport process costs so much because it will include an ID and a sub dermal tracking device Wink .

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PostPosted: 23:40 - 22 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is a fleet of cars running round Leeds with a GPS speed limiter system fitted, and they now have a 600 Bandit running with the same system.


It's only a matter of time before everyone is restricted.
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i still think it would be hard to implement nationally
it would piss everyone off for starters. hardly a vote winner
im sure quite a few people would vote against a government that implemented it at the next election

even law abiding citizens need to break the speed limit from time to time to overtake

im sure it would save lives, but I dont want it and I dont think many voters would want it.

mps and cabinet ministers would only want it if their cars were exempt
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would backfire on them if you got three points for every offence, cos everyone would get banned after six months!
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it would be possible for all vehicles to use GPS speed limiting devices, that would require a huge amount of bandwidth between communications sats and the black boxes fitted to the vehicle...not yet anwyays
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PostPosted: 04:52 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaguar65uk wrote:
I don't think it would be possible for all vehicles to use GPS speed limiting devices, that would require a huge amount of bandwidth between communications sats and the black boxes fitted to the vehicle...not yet anwyays


Hmmm - surely GPS works by using generic signals from multiple satellites to triangulate your position? No transmission to the satellite is required, everyone uses the same signal in the same way that we all use the same bandwidth on any given radio station.

This tracking system is apparantly being set up in one of the gulf states that has a problem with speeding, and is being watched very carefully by government flunkies over here.
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PostPosted: 05:37 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the GPS network actually owned by the American government?
Surley that would mean the British government would spent millions of pounds setting up a system that uses a service that they have no ownership or control of, that could in fact be turned off at any time Very Happy

This means it is almost certain to happen, becuase the Blair government loves to watse moeny and annoy people by trying to be controlling Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The EU is launching a competitor network called Galileo. As there is no point to this beyond thumbing their noses at the States, I'm sure the Eurotrash would welcome an initiative like this as justification for their huge waste of money and resources.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The intention is to use galileo, and it is designed for more invasive use on the civilian population, rather than the GPS system that is designed for military use.

That GPS style speed limiters will be fitted is pretty much regarded as a certainty by the government. They are now just at the PR stage to get people to accept it.

At 3 points for every offence I doubt anyone would last 6 days let alone 6 months. Idea of the current proposals though is to limit the vehicles speed rather than report people for speeding.

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PostPosted: 11:44 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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The intention is to use galileo, and it is designed for more invasive use on the civilian population, rather than the GPS system that is designed for military use.

That GPS style speed limiters will be fitted is pretty much regarded as a certainty by the government. They are now just at the PR stage to get people to accept it.

At 3 points for every offence I doubt anyone would last 6 days let alone 6 months. Idea of the current proposals though is to limit the vehicles speed rather than report people for speeding.

All the best

Keith


the test is next months elections , when identity cards real ones (ie ones that identify you not track you 24/7 and have a secret stazi style database behind it) were kept after WWII , ordinary citizens got pissed at people who knew perfectly well who they were to check their identity.

At which a judge said something along the lines that they turn people against the police.


Still the idea exists that the more people know about something the less likely they are to support it , there were a myriad of ID card debates on late night TV , people really supported them at first and generally changed their minds.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a way round every system the government could ever think of. I can see it being one of these things where you would wire in something (lets take 'a black box' as a name for it). The black box either screws up the limiter, or sends a different GPS signal, when you need to get it MOT'ed, just take the black box off and ride sensibly for a day. Besides it would be IMPOSSIBLE to track every single car, bike or scooter by satelite
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sure I know ALL technology has its weaknesses,

Like finger print recognition was defeated by a Japanese bloke with $10 of home equipment

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/16/gummi_bears_defeat_fingerprint_sensors/

thats the smart non violent way

In Malaysia however there was this guy with a Smart Merc that used no keys but his finger prints , so what did the crook do? , cut off his hand.


The ID card tracking system will probably use RFID defeated by tin foil , and if the black box is linked to the engine everybody will turn to diesel since although I know of it but not know how to do it , diesels are hard to imobilise and apparently if fuel can be gotten into the cylinders it fires up.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
if the black box is linked to the engine everybody will turn to diesel since although I know of it but not know how to do it , diesels are hard to imobilise and apparently if fuel can be gotten into the cylinders it fires up.


Diesel vehicles are easily fitted with a speed limiter (all lorries for example). You just reduce the amount of fuel getting to the engine. Far easier than trying to reduce the amount of throttle in a petrol car.

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PostPosted: 12:38 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Itchy wrote:
if the black box is linked to the engine everybody will turn to diesel since although I know of it but not know how to do it , diesels are hard to imobilise and apparently if fuel can be gotten into the cylinders it fires up.


Diesel vehicles are easily fitted with a speed limiter (all lorries for example). You just reduce the amount of fuel getting to the engine. Far easier than trying to reduce the amount of throttle in a petrol car.

All the best

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is that THEY HAVE THEM

Or ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM?

just curious as the 7.5 tonne drivers I used to load lorries for in Exeter told me yes things like the Tacho's are supposed to work ... but they don't,

and the fact that I've had lorries burn past me on the motorways either that or my speedo is broken.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 23 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Generally Irish ones that seem to be tanking along.

Speed limiters and tachographs are different things. Not sure a speed limiter is required on a 7.5 ton truck.

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