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Any animal experts in the house?
Thing is my dog (Lurcher bitch, quite young) keeps chewing my bike cover, emptying bins and generally being a little bastard, now she has chewed my tax disc holder rubber thing off! I dunno where she got the idea from, but I am clueless as to how to stop her doing these naughty things, I have tried pointing at it and saying 'NO' and also tried the pain association technique, but now whenever I grab her collar she howls like a banshee because she knows shes done wrong.
I'm stuck for ideas, any help appreciated.
Oh and sarcastic/demeaning comments are welcome too ZRX  Oh and she has a boyfriend already COLIN.  
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Get it a cage. If it chews, put it in the cage. My bitch bull terrier soon stopped chewing after getting a cage, now its left up as her home and a slight deterrent against chewing. 
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Smear dog food on the curb and wait for it to start chewing on that. When it has the curb in it's mouth stamp on the back of its head - American History X stylee. Problem solved |
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It hasn't got any
I'm going to suggest the muzzle and cage to my Mum later, I'm really sick of it destroying my stuff. |
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I came across the programme last week when I was channel surfing (honest, I'm not a regular viewer  ) and they used a plastic bottle with a load of stones in it - whenever the dog was 'bad' they shook the bottle vigorously and said 'NO'. It seemed to work on a Labrador that had an mental attack everytime it's owner put on a jumper - Now he's able to wear Primark haute couture without his dog having a fit!
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Like said earlier, a cage serves a purpose in the early training stage and then a bed and comfort zone after
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Cripes that does look rather scary, but then again thats the pansy approach, if you want to be proper hardcore get a tiger
Did have one of those malamut things in our kennels though, I swear the thing was like 95% wolf and 5% dog, awesome thing it was, was only in the kennels though cos the owner was having building work done and everytime the builders lent over to hammer something, the thing would creep up behind them and promptly howl like a bastard /cue mucho jumping up in alarm and spilling hot mug of tea/ |
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Right, tried the bottle technique, as I've said to Rookie it is now scared of a bottle.
It actually seems to be scared of the bike cover, so christ knows why it would want to bother chewing it (it has basically ripped the end to pieces) and pulling it off the bike to lay on it.
Paul that is very good advice, just what I am learning about in college at the moment so it's good also to have a refresher about that, but like I said the pain association thing doesn't work, whenever I take her near the cover to sort of say 'NO' and slam the bottle it wriggles and howls like it's having 10 inch pins stuck through it's eyes while being rodgered by a barge pole (Not like I'd know what that actually sounds like, but I've got a faint idea.) I don't want the neighbours thinking I'm a dog abuser or anything.
I don't get why she knows it's wrong but still does it? Is it a phase? |
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| phantomtek wrote: | Right, tried the bottle technique, as I've said to Rookie it is now scared of a bottle. |
Try this trick, suggested by Stanley Coren (it may not work, as he suggests you do it when the dog does his first damage):
"Call the dog over to you and have him sit next to you. You may have to slip the dog's leash onto him if he frightens easily. Then show him the item that he chewed, or one that you don't want him to chew. Next (this will sound odd), while the dog watches, you angrily punish the item, slapping the [bike cover] itself and yelling "No!" and so forth in a sham display of displeasure. Dogs tend to watch what we do and also to respond to our voice, motions and other actions that signal our state of mind. This loud, angry display will cause a negative emotional response in the dog, but since his eyes are on the object you are hitting, that feeling is attached to the thing that you want the dog to leave alone and not to you. Thus the sequence of events is "sight of object - angry behaviour - fear". You may have to repeat this several times over the next few days, but eventually it will produce the conditioned sequence "sight of object - stress and avoidance" in your dog. It does work, only I suggest that you don't do it when someone who has not read this book is around, since it may be difficult to explain why you are spanking your [bike cover] while your dog looks on!"
| phantomtek wrote: | It actually seems to be scared of the bike cover, so christ knows why it would want to bother chewing it (it has basically ripped the end to pieces) and pulling it off the bike to lay on it. |
Because you smell of your bike, as does your bike cover. She wants to cover herself with your smell to show she belongs to you and to your pack. In wolf packs, it's not unknown to have lower ranking wolves roll in the Alpha male's faeces to get the scent. I hope she doesn't do that...
| phantomtek wrote: | when it has those it eats them in like 5 minutes, eats the other dogs then my bike cover |
She eats other dogs? Maybe she's just hungry... |
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| Paivi wrote: | | phantomtek wrote: | Right, tried the bottle technique, as I've said to Rookie it is now scared of a bottle. |
Try this trick, suggested by Stanley Coren (it may not work, as he suggests you do it when the dog does his first damage):
"Call the dog over to you and have him sit next to you. You may have to slip the dog's leash onto him if he frightens easily. Then show him the item that he chewed, or one that you don't want him to chew. Next (this will sound odd), while the dog watches, you angrily punish the item, slapping the [bike cover] itself and yelling "No!" and so forth in a sham display of displeasure. Dogs tend to watch what we do and also to respond to our voice, motions and other actions that signal our state of mind. This loud, angry display will cause a negative emotional response in the dog, but since his eyes are on the object you are hitting, that feeling is attached to the thing that you want the dog to leave alone and not to you. Thus the sequence of events is "sight of object - angry behaviour - fear". You may have to repeat this several times over the next few days, but eventually it will produce the conditioned sequence "sight of object - stress and avoidance" in your dog. It does work, only I suggest that you don't do it when someone who has not read this book is around, since it may be difficult to explain why you are spanking your [bike cover] while your dog looks on!"
| phantomtek wrote: | It actually seems to be scared of the bike cover, so christ knows why it would want to bother chewing it (it has basically ripped the end to pieces) and pulling it off the bike to lay on it. |
Because you smell of your bike, as does your bike cover. She wants to cover herself with your smell to show she belongs to you and to your pack. In wolf packs, it's not unknown to have lower ranking wolves roll in the Alpha male's faeces to get the scent. I hope she doesn't do that...
| phantomtek wrote: | when it has those it eats them in like 5 minutes, eats the other dog's then my bike cover |
She eats other dogs? Maybe she's just hungry... |
Thank you very much for that, really informative, where were you taught that?
So instead of showing her the cover, and then saying NO while giving her a boot up the arse is a no no, I indulge in spanking the cover instead? Interesting. Although, if I do this she really freaks out. Doesn't like the cover being harmed one little bit.
This is the bit I really like:
| Paivi wrote: | She wants to cover herself with your smell to show she belongs to you and to your pack. |
That's quite interesting, never saw it that way, just thought she was being naughty and ripping it for the fun of it. I know she likes to be comfortable, she rips washing off the line so she can lay on it, that's how bad she is for doing stuff like that. Been out to check the cover a few times now, and it's still intact. Maybe I should put that bottle on a pike as a warning 
I have also amended the mistake in the last paragraph
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) really seems to work. Every time you see them doing something you don't like, take the bottle, whack it down on the ground very hard, and yell 'NO!' They soon get the picture.
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