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Marcg868
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 25 Apr 2006    Post subject: Job seeking advice! Reply with quote

Basically, i left college july last year, done 1 and half year part time in a supermarket, which was quite good while at college, 3 months in a Travel Call centre which i hated, and now i have been nicely put in a laboring job by my uncle after i handed notice in at Call centre.

But i do not intend to work with my uncle all my life, i spent 3 years at college studying for BTEC national diploma in Travel Operations and Gained 1 AS and 1 A level in IT and Geography. Im just finding it so hard to find anything in the Travel industry that isnt, either call centres or "you must have 1 years retail travel experience"

I dont have that, i dont want to work in a call centre mon - sun till 10 oclock. Why is it so hard to find a Normal 9-5 monday to friday job these days, im not being picky. Id love to just have a half decent wage like im on now, work monday to friday. But i cant find anything.
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep looking go to every local agency and travel agent with your cv ring individual companies up etc etc.

Trust me i have had morew jobs than hot dinners lol
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

send your CV into all your local (and not so local) travel-agents just on spec, asking them to give you a shout if anything comes up. They will always prefer to get people in for minimum cost, without having to shell out for advertising.

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PostPosted: 10:49 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking Thinking Thinking Travel industry does not opperate from 9-5 Mon-Friday.

I really think the days of a standard working week are long gone Rolling Eyes
weekends, nights, bank holidays are (or seem) just another day.

Your post reads that you are more bothered about how little you can put in (hours etc) more than what you can offer as valued member of staff.

Only hard work and commitment lead to high earnings and most importantly self respect .

You are in the wrong trade Wink
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

crap non growing shrinking private sector thats why its hard to find private sector jobs.

you have these options:

agencies
cold calling
cold fishing letters
job centre
news papers
company websites

I've tried all of those for months and have no joy, but good luck anyway , you might not intend to work for somebody but reality often turns out differently.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

a1trackdays wrote:


Only hard work and commitment lead to high earnings and most importantly self respect .

You are in the wrong trade Wink


no it doesn't I have ALWAYS stayed late finishing odd jobs off , go into work at in the middle of the night to take deliveries and shit and I am never appreciated or valued.

its a dog eat dog world out there , the moment you have done what they want mr P45 comes out and tells you to go fook yourself.I must have done 6-10 jobs that were advertised as permanant with long term career prospects only to find out that such jobs were just temp jobs covering holidays or maternity or what not , the age of work hard = good working life is over , its work hard and still get screwed over , profit is kind loyalty morality and staff development are just buzz words which don't mean anything anymore.

shit that sounded horribly negative and rant like , I'm going out fot a ride , clear me head.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
crap non growing shrinking private sector thats why its hard to find private sector jobs.



WRONG !
Plenty of work out there, massive shortage of fully skilled people in all markets.
I am an employer, i get plenty of ex collage and univercity dead heads sending in all types of worthless bits of paper.

I am however most impressed by the cold callers that insist they are worth a interview.
eg A young bloke came to the unit , smartly-dressed.

It was pissing down with rain, he was soaked,

He waited for over a hour to see me.

His first words were (quote) Thank you for taking the time to see me.
He had a big smile and shook my hand.

He had many problems, his school exam resullts were poor.

I did not have a apprentiship vacancy but his drive and personality made me create him a job as as labourer.

He was ALWAYS on time, he NEVER moaned about the crap pay of long hours.

Seven months later he started a full five year apprentiship.

He struggled on many things but worked his ass off.

He now has opened his own unit, he is the boss (a bloody good one as well).

He drives a nice new car, has nice things.

The moral and message is simple, hard work and dedication bring results and rewards.

Bit of paper mean very little in the real world Smile
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

a1trackdays wrote:
Bit of paper mean very little in the real world Smile


hear hear..

I dropped out of uni, took a poorly paid IT job, having taught myself the basics, and from there have taught myself everything.

Now i'm a contract DBA, currently working for a Credit Card transaction company.

I've gone from £13000 to a pro-rata salary of almost £50k in under 10 years. Since this is my first contract job, my rate will increase with experience.

life is a bitch, but work at it, and it will work with you

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PostPosted: 11:42 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
a1trackdays wrote:


Only hard work and commitment lead to high earnings and most importantly self respect .

You are in the wrong trade Wink


no it doesn't I have ALWAYS stayed late finishing odd jobs off , go into work at in the middle of the night to take deliveries and shit and I am never appreciated or valued.

its a dog eat dog world out there , the moment you have done what they want mr P45 comes out and tells you to go fook yourself.I must have done 6-10 jobs that were advertised as permanant with long term career prospects only to find out that such jobs were just temp jobs covering holidays or maternity or what not , the age of work hard = good working life is over , its work hard and still get screwed over , profit is kind loyalty morality and staff development are just buzz words which don't mean anything anymore.

shit that sounded horribly negative and rant like , I'm going out fot a ride , clear me head.



You do need to find a decent employer, i have never treated anyone like shit.
We all go out on the piss together, lots of team building.

I do not class anyone above or below myself, i still make the coffee, sweep the floors. as well as sign the pay checks.

Give up the negative attitude, think positive and NEVER give up Karma
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only agree with the other comments here about hard work paying off.

But I will say having a good manager is half the battle in my time I have been managed by some complete gits and by some excellent manager. The difference in how you feel about your job and the work you does stem largely from the management and from that your performance.

One of the best bits of advice / criticism I was given by a manager is WTF do you think your doing working here your smarter than this get you finger out or I will make you life a living hell.

He was right I did and now I do a job I love for 5 times my old salary.

And most importantly I can say even if I didn’t succeed it wasn’t because I didn’t try.
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry , I feel like shit today , another bunch of rejection letters to add to my forever growing pile of rejection letters , all citing my lack of experience as a the kicker,

something which I can do nothing about.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A1 - Would you say, that to be a good employee you are expected to work late, and expected to have work as your priority?


Unfortunately, most people want a job that they enjoy, but that allows them to enjoy their life.

Work to live, not live to work.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 fucking years to learn "Travel operations"?? WTF is that????
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annabella wrote:
A1 - Would you say, that to be a good employee you are expected to work late, and expected to have work as your priority?


Unfortunately, most people want a job that they enjoy, but that allows them to enjoy their life.

Work to live, not live to work.


Hi Ann, simple answer is yes (in my business).

All the staff go the extra mile for which the are VERY well rewarded.

These special people want and deserve a high standard of living, that is why i dont employ most people.

I have no problem with anyone that only wants to work 9-5 Mon Fri.

Next to London , down here on the south coast it is VERY expensive to live, property prices are high etc etc.

Call it posh if you like, (im certainly not) but it might suprise you that most of the people that work at my firm demand high salarys, this is paid willingly in return for the totall bastard and high level of skill that I need to balance the books and keep the customers happy

Hope it sums it up Ann , seems harsh but you would not belive how hard I get pushed to make sure they are well paid (more often then not more than the guvner Shocked )

I often wish i had a nice 9-5 blah blah , I wish i didnt have a mortgage and loans bigger than a third word debt, but TBH i would much rather this than living in a council flat in Barra, rolling Old Holburn and claiming benefit, moaning how hard it is to make a living.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
I'm sorry , I feel like shit today , another bunch of rejection letters to add to my forever growing pile of rejection letters , all citing my lack of experience as a the kicker,

something which I can do nothing about.


Advice if you wish to take it.

Get you head out of you ass and thing positive, you CAN do something about it .

Try this (it will take some bottle but you have nothng to loose)

Take one of these rejection letters and phone the company asking to make a appointment with the person who sent you the letter.

Take it with you, tell them this, I thank you for seeing me and thank you for your time.
I am approaching you for advice as i think you have made a mistake sending me this letter of rejection.

Please can you help me get on the first step of the ladder to improve my prospect of gaining employment with your company.

Im sure you can give the help i need , I dont know who else to approach for this advice.


Very Happy Very Happy Ok i know it sound corny etc, but also take a trip to the library and look for books on possitive mental attitude, learn about positive questions and rebuttles.

I cant guarantee it will work with the first letter or maybe the next.
Sell yourself, have confidence, rejection is part of the game of life, it is another small step on the ladder
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
3 fucking years to learn "Travel operations"?? WTF is that????


1 year to do Intermediate GNVQ, before i could do the Travel course i wanted to do. I got shit results in School you see because i hated it.

Ok maybe im not being realistic, most Retail travel agents ( The supposed entry level travel job) are open 9-5 with some 8 oclock finishes is what im after, if the worst comes to the worst and im still working as a labourer this time next month, i will bite the bullet and work in a Travel call centre till i find something else. Its just i need to find some good online travel job sites etc, because i cant really have days off work.

How many pages is the ideal lengh for a CV and what sort of things shoul i look to put on them???
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're telling us that you went to college for THREE years to become a fucking travel agent??? LMFAO!!!!!
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I have to ask: Did you honestly leave school & head off to college to become a travel agent?
& as for advice about your CV:I sure as hell would keep quiet about pissing away 3 years in college to get a dead end job at a shop in the high street Rolling Eyes

Seriously, please answer honestly because I'm having a real hard time taking this post anywhere near serious right now. It's one of the funniest fucking career threads I've ever seen.

What the hell possessed you to study "travel agency" as a career choice? Was telephone hygenist school full?
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got shit results too (10 GSCES, 4 A/S Levels [b,b,e,e in psych, media, physics and biology] and a NCFE in Webdesign/Telematics).

Basically what I did was work in a Chinese for 2 years (As a stopgap while I got the rest of my life in order after moving at 17).

Went on to a Telecomms company, was made redundant after 8ish months, but used it as a stopgap and to develop skills in database applications (I wasn't really arsed if they didn't work, but gave me skills on the run I could take to my next job)

Moved on to work as admin in a Callcentre, decided I liked doing databases so made a few in my spare time, presented to management, department got shut down and was headhunted internally to develop a major DB app.

And my current job just kicks ass.

Hope that's of some help, just get a stopgap job from an agency such as Brook Street, Staffsign, Rullion.

If you're willing to work in Liverpool I can hook you up with some agencies, I made a lot of contacts from agencies in Liverpool from being bored in the Call Centre job (Firing casual emails to people in agencies pays off)...
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby , that sounds familiar , 'cept I developed 3d design and art skills , which worked for a while , but as said such companies went kaput ,

makes me wonder why you can't cook , working in a Chinese takeaway for 2 years having to ask us.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Toby , that sounds familiar , 'cept I developed 3d design and art skills , which worked for a while , but as said such companies went kaput ,

makes me wonder why you can't cook , working in a Chinese takeaway for 2 years having to ask us.


I can cook Chinese stuff, just fancy a change from the usual Smile

BTW, Pasta, Meatballs in Arrabiaca (Whatever) sauce tonight Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

a1trackdays wrote:

Try this (it will take some bottle but you have nothng to loose)

Take one of these rejection letters and phone the company asking to make a appointment with the person who sent you the letter.

Take it with you, tell them this, I thank you for seeing me and thank you for your time.
I am approaching you for advice


I really think this is good advice.

Get some feedback, ask for their help. Ask for voluntary work or low rates initially... The worst thing they can say is "no, go away"
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
Ok, I have to ask: Did you honestly leave school & head off to college to become a travel agent?
& as for advice about your CV:I sure as hell would keep quiet about pissing away 3 years in college to get a dead end job at a shop in the high street Rolling Eyes

Seriously, please answer honestly because I'm having a real hard time taking this post anywhere near serious right now. It's one of the funniest fucking career threads I've ever seen.

What the hell possessed you to study "travel agency" as a career choice? Was telephone hygenist school full?


Im glad you find it amusing, no i didnt study for 3 sodding years just to become a travel agent. You may notice that every industry has a entry level job, Travels entry level jobs being a Travel agent. So no i didnt study 3 years jsut to become a travel agent. But if i have to do 5 years in one then so be it. And you want to sort your fucking attitude out mate. Im only young, i may ask stupid questions but its life, im still learning. End of the day tho, at least im not a misrible old fart like you Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marc , (BWFC4eva86)

Go ask this guy , hes a cnut in Whitefield hes called Howard at "Howards way" , he has an incredible staff turn over and hence is always looking for people he can pay poorly or exploit.

Its just opposite the metro station in Whitefield opposite the Bank there , I worked for him years ago for 5 1/2 months. Though I don't put him on my CV anymore.

Though he used to pay me nowt basic only letting me keep 50% of the commission % on holiday says as said hes a cnut and this was way before the NMW though things may have changed.Which meant £7 per holiday sold which gave me £100ish a week .

Theres also another place in Whitefield on the parade near the fitness club always looking for staff , why? , cus the manager there apparently attempted to rape one of my male collegues who I worked with in Howards way. So take this @ your OWN RISK.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 27 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have mates in Whitefield :S

Why does he have to work for cunts? There's plenty of decent jobs there that can be gotten with little effort.
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