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Steve H
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Is your clothing safe? Reply with quote
Thanks to Korn for giving me permission to submit this post...

I’d be grateful if fellow Members could spare 2 minutes completing this short survey. The questionnaire is part of a study being undertaken by Gloucestershire Trading Standards in respect of the descriptions used by Motorcycle Apparel Manufacturers/Distributors regarding the safety of protective clothing.

There is a more detailed description here regarding the questionnaire but as most BCFers just prefer a quick couple of clicks I've tried to keep it as short as possible.

Obviously the more people that complete the Questionnaire the better so please feel free to distribute the link to fellow bikers…

Motorcycling Questionnaire

Cheers Thumbs Up

Steve H

PS If you wish to discuss the matter in this thread please feel free
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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FreshAL
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
My comment wrote:
Protective clothing is NOT the be-all and end all. I have many friends who ride harder and faster because they feel 'safer' in protective clothing. Psychological risk compensation is a very real danger when people wear armour.

Any protective clothing can only reduce injuries. The ONLY way to prevent injuries is not to have a crash! Time and effort would be much better spend on rider training and improving road saftey, specifically the quality of road surfaces.


The best thing trading standards can do is make sure that 'protective' equipment labels make this very clear.

Wear leather/armour, but ride like you're in shorts and t-shirt. Very difficult.
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SoND
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
FreshAL wrote:
Wear leather/armour, but ride like you're in shorts and t-shirt. Very difficult.


Lots of people throw on all the gear and then think they're invincible because they're wearing a cow.

Learn to ride and not get hurt, not throw on the gear and expect to come out fine, there's only so much a cow can do for you.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
i commented that rather than replying "i ride at the same speed without protective kit" which suggests recklessness, I'd like to say "I don't ride any faster just because I'm wearing leather"

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PostPosted: 13:17 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Lots of people throw on all the gear and then think they're invincible because they're wearing a cow.

Learn to ride and not get hurt, not throw on the gear and expect to come out fine, there's only so much a cow can do for you.


Its down to you alot but its hard to learn to ride and not get hurt if the accidents someone elses fault. Id have lost my leg 3 weeks ago if i wasnt wearing armor so im happy to surround myself in cow and plastic.

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FreshAL
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Without wishing to derail the thread, or start a fight/flame war

minesweeper wrote:

its hard to learn to ride and not get hurt if the accidents someone elses fault. Id have lost my leg 3 weeks ago if i wasnt wearing armor ...


Genuinely sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you are mended and back on a bike soon.

BUT

I bet you could have avoided the accident completly, wouldn't have mattered what you were wearing then. 99% of accidents are avoidable. Doesn't matter who had right of way, or who's fault it was, if you have an accident on a bike it's going to hurt. That means you've got to anticipate what every other idiot on the road might do and make sure you have an escape route.

Take it easy Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 13:35 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
feef wrote:
i commented that rather than replying "i ride at the same speed without protective kit" which suggests recklessness, I'd like to say "I don't ride any faster just because I'm wearing leather"


I said that while it wouldn't alter my riding in town, I'd be far less likely to go for a spirited ride if I wasn't in my leathers.


I also mentioned that I really pay very little attention to manufacturers claims and descriptions, I place a lot more value on a personal recommendation than on any manufacturers descriptive guff (on most things, not just leathers!).
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Essential riding equipment:

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PostPosted: 13:54 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe I'm just being picky but why is it a condition of completion that I give my name and email address? Questionnaires should be confidential (or at least voluntary when it comes to giving private information).

Basically I'd like to fill in the form but don't want to put my name on it (working in research myself makes putting my name on a questionnaire seem wrong).
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's what I put as my 'other comments'

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The only asessment I trust is the Ride magazine recommendations as they are open and clear about how they comparatively test equipment.

Legislation restricts the way people will design their equipment, not always for the better. A good example is CE armour, you can mark a garment as having CE armour, if this armour is not appropriately placed and restrained, it can be more dangerous than having none at all. Effectively, the CE mark is worthless unless taken alongside how well the garment fits the individual.

It is also interesting to note that a Marks and Spencers cheese sandwich fulfills all the requirements of impact and wear resistance to qualify as CE approved armour. People would do well to keep this in mind when riding their bike.

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minesweeper
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Genuinely sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you are mended and back on a bike soon.

BUT

I bet you could have avoided the accident completly, wouldn't have mattered what you were wearing then. 99% of accidents are avoidable. Doesn't matter who had right of way, or who's fault it was, if you have an accident on a bike it's going to hurt. That means you've got to anticipate what every other idiot on the road might do and make sure you have an escape rout


No offence taken mate at all Smile

I was alongside a car transporter in purley (south london) he was in a straight on only lane i was in a straight on only/turn right lane. Without indicating he turned right straight into the side of me. If id braked hard i would have hit his trailer, if id pulled right i would have hit a crash barrier. Tried to fit through the ever closing gap and nearly made it but his bumper struck my leg with enough force to send me in the air then my bike came down on my leg and my footrest impaled my foot. If id not been wearing armor the footrest would have torn my foot in half instead the boot held it in one place as the bike dragged me along.

The only way of preventing any possible accident is to leave the bike in the garage.... and then it might fall on you whilst on a late nite beer run Smile
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
You mean like in rules 196 and 146 in the Highway code?

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watch out for long vehicles which may be turning at a junction ahead; they may have to use the whole width of the road to make the turn

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Steve H
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
byke95 wrote:
Maybe I'm just being picky but why is it a condition of completion that I give my name and email address? Questionnaires should be confidential (or at least voluntary when it comes to giving private information)

Just input 'Anonymous', 'Mickey Mouse', 'V. Rossi' or alternatively make something witty up - it's the field that needs completion as opposed to any ACTUAL address. The details were needed if people required feedback or asked any questions in the comments boxes.

Thanks for all the responses Thumbs Up

Cheers

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PostPosted: 15:01 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
You mean like in rules 196 and 146 in the Highway code?

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watch out for long vehicles which may be turning at a junction ahead; they may have to use the whole width of the road to make the turn

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Then indication might have been a sensible move Smile or looking in his mirrors.
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byke95
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Steve H wrote:
Just input 'Anonymous', 'Mickey Mouse', 'V. Rossi' or alternatively make something witty up - it's the field that needs completion as opposed to any ACTUAL address. The details were needed if people required feedback or asked any questions in the comments boxes.

Thanks for all the responses Thumbs Up

Cheers

Steve H


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PostPosted: 15:24 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
All filled in for you.
I would be interested to hear any results/outcomes of this.
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FreshAL
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
minesweeper wrote:
Then indication might have been a sensible move Smile or looking in his mirrors.


Yeah, I quite agree he should have done, but you didn't leave yourself an escape route. As soon as you start relying on other drivers not do stupid things you're putting yourself in danger.

I don't want to go on about it too much, but it's really important that as many riders as possible realise that you are responsible for your safety, nobody else.

I'll shut up now, cos I make just as many mistakes as everyone else Smile

Stay safe
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
On the roads in croydon you cant just drive were theres an escape route or you wouldnt leave your drive Smile

Its been a learning experience, dont get hit by a truck!

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PostPosted: 18:58 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
It is also interesting to note that a Marks and Spencers cheese sandwich fulfills all the requirements of impact and wear resistance to qualify as CE approved armour. People would do well to keep this in mind when riding their bike.


Eh?

Has someone actually tested a cheese sandwich for impact and wear resistance Question
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
SoND wrote:

Has someone actually tested a cheese sandwich for impact and wear resistance Question


I have it on good authority that a popular motorcycle clothing manufacturer carried out just such a test on a Marks and Spencer cheese sandwich (not just any cheese sandwich). I can't prove it though.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 26 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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