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hibeekev
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Emergency stop Reply with quote

Please can somebody who has recently done their bike test tell me the correct procedure for the emergency stop and what to do once you have come to a stand???? Laughing
Test on Monday and panicking now. Cheers.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Re: Emergency stop Reply with quote

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Please can somebody who has recently done their bike test tell me the correct procedure for the emergency stop and what to do once you have come to a stand???? Laughing
Test on Monday and panicking now. Cheers.


Come to a stop as safely and as quickly as you can, without locking up any wheels. Once stopped, put the bike into neutral and wait for your instructor to tel you can move.

Try not to stall the engine when stopping, but dont worry if you do.

Also dont whip the clutch in straight away- remember the engine is classed as a 3rd brake therefore you should only pull the clutch in just before the bike comes to a halt.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before moving off you must also do a life saver check over each shoulder.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

really?

I remember it as being once stopped , double shoulder check left and right since your in the middle of the road. put into 1st , final shoulder check and pull in next to the kerb , since it was dangerous to stay in the middle of the road.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to use both back and front brake to come to a reasonably quick stop under control. You don't want to be pulling a stoppie or lock up the back wheel!
Pull the clutch in late to use engine braking, but early enough not to stall.

Then indicate left and do a life saver over each shoulder before pulling to the side of the road.

THEN REMEMBER TO TURN OFF INDICATOR AND THEN INDICATE THE OTHER WAY WITH A LIFESAVER BEFORE PULLING AWAY WHEN ASKED.

I'm sure I fucked this up on my test but got away with it. Your adrenaline is running after doing the stop and it's easy to forget.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it's still technically done before you move off again Cool
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the rear wheel does lock up dont freak out, just let it off and reapply, did this on my test and it was perfectly fine.

But as other have said, if you miss your observations before pulling off youll fail instantly!
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stand up, lean over handle bars, gentle push the front back till the rear wheel lifts up, keep it going as long as you can whilst heading towards your instructor, then stretch your left arm out and point at him.

Or

You just brake hard without locking up, simple. Go fast but dont go stupidly fast, theres no point except for making it harder for you Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

akaDAVE wrote:
Then indicate left and do a life saver over each shoulder before pulling to the side of the road.

THEN REMEMBER TO TURN OFF INDICATOR AND THEN INDICATE THE OTHER WAY WITH A LIFESAVER BEFORE PULLING AWAY WHEN ASKED.


Please tell me why you would indicate while doing an emergency stop?
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You doing Direct Access? The reason I ask is that a larger machine usually has a better front brake than a 125 learner machine. Easy way to do the emergency stop is to use a progressive squeezed on front brake and only touch the rear. A modern bike will do most of it's braking with the front without much rear and this way you won't lock the rear. They do tend to like seeing the rear applied though, hence the dab on the foot brake. Don't grab at the brakes either, a controlled slightly longer braking period is better than a snatched uncontrolled slide.

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PostPosted: 14:06 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

akaDAVE wrote:
You have to use both back and front brake to come to a reasonably quick stop under control. You don't want to be pulling a stoppie or lock up the back wheel!
Pull the clutch in late to use engine braking, but early enough not to stall.

Then indicate left and do a life saver over each shoulder before pulling to the side of the road.

THEN REMEMBER TO TURN OFF INDICATOR AND THEN INDICATE THE OTHER WAY WITH A LIFESAVER BEFORE PULLING AWAY WHEN ASKED.

I'm sure I fucked this up on my test but got away with it. Your adrenaline is running after doing the stop and it's easy to forget.


akaDAVE's explanation sounds about right to me, but it has been a long time since i did my test
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NB After doing the emergency stop, the instructor asked me to do the U-Turn on the same bit of road.

Good job he did, I could have swung the car round in one it was that wide!!!!
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mondeokid wrote:
NB After doing the emergency stop, the instructor asked me to do the U-Turn on the same bit of road.

Good job he did, I could have swung the car round in one it was that wide!!!!


its been muted that lots of examiners won't watch certain test items since they think its pointless and that you'll never do them in real life , the guy who examined me didn't watch me do the push the bike thing.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
the push the bike thing.


Is that something new, I didnt have to do that?
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't pull the clutch in, you lot sure? Confused

If he's on a 125, he'll be going down at least 2 gears from 30mph anyway.

I've never heard of engine braking having to be used on test, my old car instructor used to bollock me for doing it.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Said it before, saying it again. This worked for me.

The back wheel goes stupidly light and easy to lock if you hammer on the front brake and let your weight shift forwards. I practiced locking my arms straight as I put on the front brake and as soon as they were I rested my foot on the rear, didn't press and squeezed in the clutch at the last possible second.

Locking my arms out kept my head up (and looking at the examiner) and kept my weight further back on the bike. When I tapped on the rear at the end the back end didn't lock. If you hit a stone or a seam in the tarmac with the rear whilst doing the E-stop then it is enough to lose traction and lock that rear up. I personally couldn't feel whether it was locked or not unless it started to go sideways on me...
Saying the phrase also stopped me leaping straight onto all the brakes as I had done during DAS.

This sounds daft, but here's my technique...

1.Come round corner, get bike into 3rd and keep hands off levers.
2.His hand goes up.
3.Say to self "Lock my arms" whilst squeezing on the front brake, closing the throttle and pushing back on the bars to keep the weight back and arms straight.
4.Once you've said it, your arms will be straight. Move foot across onto rear brake and rest it on it GENTLY.
5.Bring it to a halt without adding pressure onto the rear, keeping your head up and looking at the examiner.
6.When the bike feels like it is fighting the brake, pull in the clutch. Whilst the clutch is out, the engine will keep the rear turning and help to prevent it locking. If the clutch is pulled in too early then the slightest rear brake action will lock it up.
7.Bring her to a stop.
8.Get her to the kerb with lifesavers and checks etc.
9.Out of gear and switch off.
10.Relax.

When practicing on CBT I Went on the front brake, the clutch and managed to open the throttle up more... The bike screamed as it came to a stop with tons of revs. My instructor said, "That little kid will never step out into the road without looking again as you've scared the Sh1t out of him." .

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PostPosted: 14:55 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
Don't pull the clutch in, you lot sure? Confused

If he's on a 125, he'll be going down at least 2 gears from 30mph anyway.

I've never heard of engine braking having to be used on test, my old car instructor used to bollock me for doing it.


Woah there.. you dont go down your box when your doing an emergancy stop! You just stop.. quick!

If you go through the box, you WILL fail.

When he raises his hand, just apply brakes.. slow down.. keep slowing down.. when about to stop, pul the clutch in to stop engine from stalling. Select Neutral and wait.

He will tell you if he wants you to wait for furhter instructions or if he wants you to move to side of road.. before you start the emergeny stop.

But yeah, DO NOT TOUCH YOUR GEARS!

Little story for you.

When i was practising mine, i jumped too hard on the front brake. It had just started to drizzle so was slippery. Front washed out, and the bike was about 50degrees over to the left out of control.. literally about to dump it down the road.

When i let go of brake, steered the other way and some how picked the bike up from what should have been a low slide.

The instructor was gobsmacked.. he said to me "ive never seen that before, you should have hit the deck... good riding!"

Cool The whole thing lasted no more than about 2 seconds from me pulling the brake to me finally stopping th bike.


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PostPosted: 14:58 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Itchy wrote:
the push the bike thing.


Is that something new, I didnt have to do that?


maybe he thought it was equally pointless , you hafta do a U turn on the bike pushing it demonstrating you can handle the unpowered weight , while keeping your brake covered with 4 fingers.Doing the usual observations and doing it quickly.


It was stop at side of road , push bike to opposite side of road , then U turn it back the emerg stop.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


maybe he thought it was equally pointless , you hafta do a U turn on the bike pushing it demonstrating you can handle the unpowered weight , while keeping your brake covered with 4 fingers.Doing the usual observations and doing it quickly.


It was stop at side of road , push bike to opposite side of road , then U turn it back the emerg stop.


I was told that the pushing thing is to prove to you that the bike will in fact turn a U turn on that road whilst at full lock in the space given...
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="getyerkneedown]
I was told that the pushing thing is to prove to you that the bike will in fact turn a U turn on that road whilst at full lock in the space given...[/quote]

still pointless then , my instructor rode a Pan and he could turn that tighter than I could , he once took out his victory cruiser and could turn it almost as tight as the Pan .

that said somebody might take the piss and bring a proper chopper like those seen in that film with Jack Nicohson (Easy rider?) , or an Orange county chopper.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
getyerkneedown wrote:

I was told that the pushing thing is to prove to you that the bike will in fact turn a U turn on that road whilst at full lock in the space given...


still pointless then , my instructor rode a Pan and he could turn that tighter than I could , he once took out his victory cruiser and could turn it almost as tight as the Pan .

that said somebody might take the piss and bring a proper chopper like those seen in that film with Jack Nicohson (Easy rider?) , or an Orange county chopper.


Oh i agree its pointless mate.

That would be funny though.. doing your test on an orange county chopper! Shocked Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

(From when your moving) as soon as the Examiner does his signal its a case of front break (lots of) backbreak followed by more front. It doesnt matter if you stall it cos of the gears as you can sort that out later when you paddle off to te side of the road (after you take a peek). If you can try the gear change but otherwise forget about it.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then indicate left and do a life saver over each shoulder before pulling to the side of the road.

THEN REMEMBER TO TURN OFF INDICATOR AND THEN INDICATE THE OTHER WAY WITH A LIFESAVER BEFORE PULLING AWAY WHEN ASKED.


Please tell me why you would indicate while doing an emergency stop?



No I said 'then indicate left' after the stop to show that you are pulling ot the side of the road.
You could try flicking it on as you're doing it but I don't think you'd get any extra points.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

getyerkneedown wrote:
Woah there.. you dont go down your box when your doing an emergancy stop! You just stop.. quick!

If you go through the box, you WILL fail.


Bullshit. Rolling Eyes

I went down the box during my test and during my practice lessons. I passed. The Instructor actually said he was impressed with it.

Guess I had been riding on the road for 11 months though, might be harder to do properly if you're a newbie.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 05 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also changed down the box on my test and the examiner didn't bat an eyelid
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