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PostPosted: 22:14 - 26 May 2006    Post subject: Vulcan to the sky Reply with quote

I think that this is a real shame that the plans to get the last air servicable Vulcan (XH558) back into the sky will fall short by some £375,000 pounds.

Being a keen aviation enthusiast especially fast jets, the sound and sight of a jet screaming through the air is something that ceases to amaze me. I remember in the late 70's the Vulcan would do a fly past at the local air show at Shoreham and I have never forgotten the horrendous noise that this thing makes.

Tragic that this icon should be so near and yet so far from thrilling new generations; of paying tribute to national honour and to so eloquently epitomizing the era when a deterrent force kept peace in Europe .

Concorde will never fly again but Vulcan can - mother of Concorde, and a great, truly British, icon this aircraft should be supported to fly.

Vulcan is quintessentially British; her design was years ahead of its time and is still relevant in Aerospace R&D today; she is as significant to her era as is the Spitfire to the Second World War and she can be returned to flight!

So instead the public and lottery funds would rather support one legged lesbian switchboards and support already oppulant opera houses, yet in order to get a true British icon back in the sky does not seem worthwhile.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was lucky enough to see one of the last ones flying land at Leuchars airshow and I totally agree.

Nothing else I have seen flying made the ground shake like that, not even a B1B doing a vertical climb on engine power. The Argies must have shat themselves when they saw those things coming over during the Falkland war. They blot-out the sun.

Just their presence would be enough to make most enemies surrender. Simply fly a couple of Vulcans over their capital city... with a squadron of Lightnings flying as fighter support.

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PostPosted: 01:23 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was fortunate enough to have the Vulcan do the fly past at my pass out parade in the RAF - absolutely amazing aircraft, it would be a shame for it to never fly again Sad
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PostPosted: 04:48 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i once went to an aerospace museum or similar and they had a real vulcan on the ground. It was an awesome looking thing.

However I dont think money should be spent keeping it flying for the sake of it.

There are lots more worthy causes out there.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the point being made, Colin, is that while there are more worthy causes such as feeding Africa and bombing Iran, money from Lottery Funds and the like is not going to be funnelled into those causes anyway, so it should be spent on something more meaningful than buying biscuits for the Socialist Lesbian Single Mother's Commune meetings.

What could be more meaningful than several tonnes of metal screaming through the sky with British markings all over it?
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However I dont think money should be spent keeping it flying for the sake of it.

There are lots more worthy causes out there.


Cheers Mr james, we have losy concord which was an absolute masterpiece of Anglo ? French engineering and if it was'nt for French oncompetence Concord would still be flying, air travek ahs gone backwards.

The Vulcan is an awesome piece of machinery and would be the star attraction of many avents. Indeed it was supposed to do a flypasy over Buck palace to commenerate the 25th Anniversary of the Falklands campaign.

We cannot allow things like this to be forgotten.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

£375000 is a lot to spend on biscuits
I like the vulcan I like biscuits too and they are a lot cheaper.

Modern day war planes are just as impressive and regularly fly at airshows for those who are interested.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Modern day war planes are just as impressive and regularly fly at airshows for those who are interested.


As are Hunters, Sea Vixen, Venoms, Spitfire, Lancaster etc!
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever experienced a Vulcan flyby Colin? If you havent, you wouldnt understand the absolute majesty of the act.

Its roar is how i would expect it to sound if you stuck your head in an erupting volcano.
The ground shakes, and it feels like your bowels will be torn asunder. Then after what seems an age, a HUGE shadow passes overby and you feel like your knees will buckle. Once it has gone, the world seems eerily quiet and somehow wrong. I would be absolutely terrified if i knew that thing was against me.

In a word its unbelievable.

I think it should be restored and a revolving fund put on it to keep it servicable.

Bloody lesbians and their biscuit politics, they ruin it for everyone Rolling Eyes Laughing

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PostPosted: 17:59 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus Kaben,
I could'nt have put it down better in words than you, my thoughts exactly.

Pure poetry

The most deafening I have experienced recently is the B1-B lancer (boneshaker), every fibre in you body is shaken to the core.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Vulcan flyby and full power climb is something everyone should experience, when i was younger (like 15-20 years ago Embarassed ) we lived at RAF Scampton so I used to see vulcans pretty regular but would always come out of the house and wait if i knew one was due in or out. They are an awsome machine (they make concordes look refined Wink ) Thumbs Up

Just check this video out (for the full effect turn your speakers up as loud as they go Very Happy )
https://www.pistonheads.tv/play.asp?id=680

This project deserves money. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What could be more meaningful than several tonnes of metal screaming through the sky with British markings all over it?

NSPCC and otehr children's charities.
Charities for the care of the elderly.
Cancer research.
Research into diseases.

Shall I carry on?

It's a big tin with engines on it, there's plenty more at airports that you can fly on in comfort easily.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What could be more meaningful than several tonnes of metal screaming through the sky with British markings all over it?

NSPCC and otehr children's charities.
Charities for the care of the elderly.
Cancer research.
Research into diseases.

Shall I carry on?


Probably best that you don't, for the simple reason that I already conceded that there were more humanitarian causes out there. My point remains that some money is earmarked for arts/heritage causes, and that this one is a worthy one.

No point quoting an extract of my post to prove something that I've already stated myself.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reuben wrote:
NSPCC and otehr children's charities.
Charities for the care of the elderly.
Cancer research.
Research into diseases.

People die, get over it. We're born, we live, we die. Most people waste they lives anyway, so why spend billions upon billions of pounds trying to do the impossible and wipe out disease? I only ever give to disease/illness charities if I'm seriously guilt tripped into doing so.


I would love to see a Vulcan fly. I've seen the one at Newark air museum and it really is an incredible aircraft, so utterly massive. Museums are good, but I think they are somewhat missing the point. Just like I don't like to see shiny old motorcycles that are never ridden, aeroplanes belong in the air Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you interested in the particular aircraft being talked about,
https://www.tvoc.co.uk/index2.php

Just for you information, a freind of mine has contributed significant "sums" to the project Thumbs Up

They have 4 new engines, but I think the airframe has only 400Hours of life. If people are less gredy and only 2 hours of flight is allowed per year she might fly for 200 years, for generations to see.

I did not know where the original poster got his information of the lack of funding Rolling Eyes

Additonally it takes over £500 of fuel to just start up and roll the aircraft, so the money need is really huge Shocked


As per the original poster claiming it is comparable to the spitfire, I personally think the Spitfire is a very very good design and shone in battle.

Sadly the vulcan, though a radical design was from a military point useless. The spitfire scored large number of victories, whereas the vulcan just managed to drop ONE bomb on the port stanley runway ffs.

I think the vulcan is a great attempt at a bomber, but nothing except the messerchimit bf109 comes close to the stunning spitfire.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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was from a military point useless


senna what sort of a stupid comment is that?

If during the cold war russia had fired on us or the u.s. you would have seen how good vulcans and victors where, just because they werent used in anger doesnt make them a bad plane.

quoting your user name how many championships have mv f4's won?? yes its a cracking bike but has never been used in anger so to speak. so there for as a sportsbike it's useless. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

senna_f4 wrote:

Sadly the vulcan, though a radical design was from a military point useless. The spitfire scored large number of victories, whereas the vulcan just managed to drop ONE bomb on the port stanley runway ffs.


Arguably the entire point of a nuclear deterrent is that it is never used.

The Falklands operation vis a vis the Vulcan was an exercise in propaganda and pysch. warfare.

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PostPosted: 22:24 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
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was from a military point useless


senna what sort of a stupid comment is that?

If during the cold war russia had fired on us or the u.s. you would have seen how good vulcans and victors where, just because they werent used in anger doesnt make them a bad plane.

quoting your user name how many championships have mv f4's won?? yes its a cracking bike but has never been used in anger so to speak. so there for as a sportsbike it's useless. Thumbs Up


I am sorry, but I fail to see why you resort to abuse, when confronted with a statement?

1. The spitfire and vulcan were stated to be in the same league, to which I disagreed as the vulcan, despite a revolutionary design was not sucessful in any actual battle, especially so in port stanly. Hence why it was useless to the military.

2. I am sorry there was no nuclear wafrare, so please stop assuming that the aircrafts are very good in battle. Again I never said it was a bad design, it was just not sucesfull due to short range etc

3. What has my username got to do with the vulcan ffs? Have you got a problem of aggresion or something?

At least me and my freinds contributed to its restoration, all you do is winge about it and argue about a fact I pointed out in that the spitfire and the vulcan are not in the same league. One was a crowning victor while the other wasn't, despite both being advanced for their time Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a big tin with engines on it, there's plenty more at airports that you can fly on in comfort easily.


It's hardly a big tin with engines is it, a motorbike is just aframe with with an engine shoved in.

Tell me where I can find plenty more Vulcans at an airport and where I can fly it.

The point is it is a superb example British engineering brilliance, we have now lost the sea harrier the last all British jet fighter.

I'm also don't support worthwhile charities, i will always give to premature babies, but we need to keep our aviation heritage alive and the Vulcan is more than worthwhile.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

senna_f4 wrote:


I am sorry, but I fail to see why you resort to abuse, when confronted with a statement?


It wasnt meant to be abusive. Thumbs Up

All I'm saying is that just because something is used in anger doesnt make it any better.

The vulcan was obviously a military success as it was part of the nuclear deterent. And I'm sure that my dad and many others who spent many shifts on high alert think it was a success too.

And if you knew your history as you may well do the vulcan that dropped the bomb at stanley was en route to the scrap yard which would back up your point of view.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

senna_f4 wrote:

At least me and my freinds contributed to its restoration, all you do is winge about it and argue about a fact I pointed out in that the spitfire and the vulcan are not in the same league.


I'm sorry you feel that way. as I've said during the cold war my dad was on the front line supporting vulcans and I think thats worth a alot more than "contributing to its restoration".

I dont know you or your background but I will assure you that it's no fun being 8 years old and not seeing your dad for months on end whilst he is on the front line supporting these no good aircraft.

Maybe it's a personal issue and I didnt mean anything of it. Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick I am sorry for overreacting Embarassed

My friends dad also flew them, hence the sentimental value to him.

I have sat in a vulcan cockpit, but never flown in one, sadly.

I just posted the link, so that people may contribute whatever they like and if they like to raise the monies needed, so that people like your dad, my friends dad and other people may see it fly in their lifetime.

Whilst I support the restoration of the vulcan, which i think has an important place in history, it was not a sucess story like others.

I do accept that it may have been a deterent, or is it more correctly the atomic bombs themselves?

This is just my opinion Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries mate, no offence taken none meant. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just finished reading Vulcan 607 by Roland White. The book is about the first 'Black Buck' mission to bomb the runway at Stanley Airport during the 1982 Falklands campaign, I could'nt put the book down, brilliant.
So this prompted me to go to the Vulcan to the Sky website and this is what appears:

It is with great regret that the Trustees of Vulcan to the Sky have been obliged to issue letters of termination of contract to the workforce at Bruntingthorpe and Wimborne.

Despite unremitting and continuing efforts to find a major benefactor or sponsor for the project, none has yet been identified. Escalating costs mean that a million pounds are still needed before the end of August if the aircraft is to be returned to flight next year.

Everything is still being done to find such a company or person but time is getting very short. To be unable to complete the project after so much has been given and so much achieved is little short of a tragedy; but, as has been said before, the combination of time lag, engineering cost uplift and no sponsor has so far rendered the task insurmountable.

If £1M can be identified and raised over the next four weeks, it may still be possible to move forward to meet the target of flying for the Falklands Commemoration and the 2007 Air Display season.


Dig dip everyone
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 07 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely Branson or someone could get involved in this?

Sorry to rake up the topic again.

Vulcans saw action when we were in the Lebanon last time round. Maybe it wasn't on the news but my Mum was living there and saw them take off full then come back empty with holes in.

'Peacekeeping' apparently. And the Yanks thought they invented 'Shock and Awe' Rolling Eyes .
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