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rs125 rider
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: getting lower Reply with quote

Hello, i have an aprilia rs125, and the chicken strips on the rear tyre are:

RHS: 1 inch
LHS: 1/2 inch

ive tried countersteering and i just carnt get lower, it feels low but its not, the only way i can get any lower is to goto a large carpark and just go round and round in circles, how can i get lower on normal corners?
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Cillit-BANG
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't.

Just ride at a pace that your comfortable with. The only way to get rid of them is to lean the bike over more which means taking the bends at higher and higher speeds. Until your comfortable at doing this then don't let it stress you out. It can take at least a couple of years experience before this may happen.

There is a rediculous stigma attached to chicken strips and unused knee sliders, but it's nonsense. Mostly bought about from 'Bigin it up wiv ma mates'

Unfortunately until you get on a race track to take out your anger in a safe and controlled environment you don't realise this. Riding on the road can be fun, but if your trying to push your bikes to the edges then your better off waiting until you get on the track.

My track bike has no chicken strips and my knee will touch down on most corners. My road bike has 1/4" chicken strips and I no longer push myself to get my knee down on public roads. There is far too much at stake, and unfortunately it wasn't until a nasty crash last year that I realised this.

Just ride it and get some miles under your belt.

FFIW, some tyre profiles are worse than others for chicken strips at a given lean angle/corner speed. Just try a different brand on your next pair and see what happens.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

the thing is ive been riding a year and a half and have covered over 13,000 kms, also im using bridgestone bt090's, so there pretty damn good.
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Lawnie
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cillit-BANG wrote:

There is a rediculous stigma attached to chicken strips and unused knee sliders, but it's nonsense. Mostly bought about from 'Bigin it up wiv ma mates'


I quite agree, I don't see the fascination to be honest.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cillit-BANG wrote:
Don't.

Just ride at a pace that your comfortable with. The only way to get rid of them is to lean the bike over more which means taking the bends at higher and higher speeds. Until your comfortable at doing this then don't let it stress you out. It can take at least a couple of years experience before this may happen.

There is a rediculous stigma attached to chicken strips and unused knee sliders, but it's nonsense. Mostly bought about from 'Bigin it up wiv ma mates'

Unfortunately until you get on a race track to take out your anger in a safe and controlled environment you don't realise this. Riding on the road can be fun, but if your trying to push your bikes to the edges then your better off waiting until you get on the track.

My track bike has no chicken strips and my knee will touch down on most corners. My road bike has 1/4" chicken strips and I no longer push myself to get my knee down on public roads. There is far too much at stake, and unfortunately it wasn't until a nasty crash last year that I realised this.

Just ride it and get some miles under your belt.

FFIW, some tyre profiles are worse than others for chicken strips at a given lean angle/corner speed. Just try a different brand on your next pair and see what happens.


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PostPosted: 19:37 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldnt the narrow tyres on an RS have to lean a lot less to make a turn than a bike with a 180 or 190?
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lean further you pussy!
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

an rs125 has a 150 rear - quite a decent sized tyre
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still a lot narrower than a 190... his strips are only an inch thick right
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 27 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until about 2 months ago i'd never even heard of chicken strips let alone worrying what mine were like, but I have been checking lately and they're probably about 3mm LHS little bit more RHS.

I'm not going to push it anymore than what I know I can do because my tyres can't keep pressure due to 3 nails in them, the tyres themselves are about 3 years old and the tyre walls are cracked all the way around.

It'll come with confidence and there will be time where you will go into a corner quicker than you thought you did and have to lean further then think 'hmm I guess I could have gone that little bit more' then each time you come to that corner you'll just know you can go through with that more speed and lean that little bit further. It's just confidence and experience.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^Erm, you need new tyres
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fadel wrote:
Until about 2 months ago i'd never even heard of chicken strips let alone worrying what mine were like, but I have been checking lately and they're probably about 3mm LHS little bit more RHS.

I'm not going to push it anymore than what I know I can do because my tyres can't keep pressure due to 3 nails in them, the tyres themselves are about 3 years old and the tyre walls are cracked all the way around.

It'll come with confidence and there will be time where you will go into a corner quicker than you thought you did and have to lean further then think 'hmm I guess I could have gone that little bit more' then each time you come to that corner you'll just know you can go through with that more speed and lean that little bit further. It's just confidence and experience.


by the way fella just read ur siggy u can do ur theory at 16 my m8s just done it.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fadel wrote:
I'm not going to push it anymore than what I know I can do because my tyres can't keep pressure due to 3 nails in them, the tyres themselves are about 3 years old and the tyre walls are cracked all the way around.


Maybe its because I work for a tyre company, or maybe it's because I have an ounce of common sense, you need some new tyres straight away you silly bastard, your in blow out territory. Confused

You needed new tyres a long long time ago to be fair, sort it out, for your own sake.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you derestricted it? You'll need some decent 70mph ish corners to get 'em low. I've got the same sized tyres, and it is a bit weird in a bend when you just can't feel the bike going any lower. I think thats the point at which you have to consciously countersteer to drop the bike onto the edge of the tyre.

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PostPosted: 13:10 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you leaning off - i.e. trying to get your knee down?? If so then don't!!..... by leaning off you reduce the bike's lean angle.
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Fadel
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last MOT (july 05) advised me to get new tyres and I just haven't yet, I realise I am in DESPERATE need for some but, well not got around to it Sad I might be buying an NSR beginning of July.


Oooo, might have to go book in my theory then, heard so many different people saying yes you can, no you can't so was just going to leave it till i'm 17.

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PostPosted: 16:07 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

You better not sell your bike with those tyres on you mong.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

No point in taking your theory early either, it just means you've got less time to pass your practical, when you're allowed to.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it means I won't have to wait another month to do the theory and then to do the practical after totalling up a couple of months atleast, whereas get one part done now, then wait till when i'd have to ANYWAY, finish off with the practical Wink
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've passed my test less than a month ago and bought a 2nd hand bike that had been right to the edge of the tire.
I've done about 600miles on it now and its developed a a coupla Chicken Stips, i'm gutted. I've got a nice bike and nice kit etc but with the chickstrips I feel a right noobie twat. Sad
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

phk6 wrote:
by the way fella just read ur siggy u can do ur theory at 16 my m8s just done it.


At 16 you would only be able to take the theory for his moped test, as his catergory A wouldn't have been valid.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im on a RS 125, and its fucking hard to get me knee down ( I still ant got it )

My chicken strips are still there and my knee sliders are unused. I have one spot where I try to get my knee down, and thats at a pretty much empty roundabout ( its a big one though under a bridge ) and has loads of runoff just incase I do go down.

To be honest, if you wona learn how to get low, do it on a track, whats the point in smashing you and your bike up against a curb or wall when you could of just taken a bumpy slide across a gravel trap and walked away?

And another thing, dont think that just because the Moto GP riders lean these bikes over with ease means that you can do the same with ease. They are on the best bikes money can buy, They are on tyres which are designed to last 20 minutes of riding... And most of them have been riding since they was atleast 5 years old

Take care matey.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 28 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took my bike theory test at 16. Smile
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 30 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ram_doom wrote:
Wouldnt the narrow tyres on an RS have to lean a lot less to make a turn than a bike with a 180 or 190?


Exactly, in very general terms the narrower the tyre the harder it is to use all the tread - see attachment as a rough guide Wink
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 30 May 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

loop a roundabout for 10 minutes heel pressed against heelplate, knee just sticking out a little, and you'll gradually get lower and lower (and a little dizzy)

My chicken strips when I sold my bike (ignore the gouge in the tyre, that's where a car drove into me and his rusty bumper cut the tyre (didn't puncture it though)

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