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hust22
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 03 Jul 2023    Post subject: A2 Using a friends bike? Reply with quote

Hello!

As the title suggests, im looking to do my A2 with my friends bike, as the schools charge a FORTUNE ~£800+!

I was wondering, where can I get insured for the session(s)? If you know a company that’ll provide insurance please let me know. I have two choices of bikes to use - a 2017 MT07 and a 650 Ninja 2016.

They’re both restricted and road legal, taxed and insured all that jazz.

Thank you for your help Smile
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 03 Jul 2023    Post subject: Re: A2 Using a friends bike? Reply with quote

hust22 wrote:
Hello!

As the title suggests, im looking to do my A2 with my friends bike, as the schools charge a FORTUNE ~£800+!

I was wondering, where can I get insured for the session(s)? If you know a company that’ll provide insurance please let me know. I have two choices of bikes to use - a 2017 MT07 and a 650 Ninja 2016.

They’re both restricted and road legal, taxed and insured all that jazz.

Thank you for your help Smile


If only there were a search function on this forum....
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 03 Jul 2023    Post subject: Re: A2 Using a friends bike? Reply with quote

Kind of wanted a more up to date response, no need to be twat Smile


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hust22 wrote:
Hello!

As the title suggests, im looking to do my A2 with my friends bike, as the schools charge a FORTUNE ~£800+!

I was wondering, where can I get insured for the session(s)? If you know a company that’ll provide insurance please let me know. I have two choices of bikes to use - a 2017 MT07 and a 650 Ninja 2016.

They’re both restricted and road legal, taxed and insured all that jazz.

Thank you for your help Smile


If only there were a search function on this forum....
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 03 Jul 2023    Post subject: Re: A2 Using a friends bike? Reply with quote

hust22 wrote:
Kind of wanted a more up to date response


You really think things are going to change in a month and a half?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=335470

hust22 wrote:
no need to be twat Smile



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PostPosted: 16:54 - 03 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

But does that tempcover site offer what's necessary?

Try and get a quote from them as a provisional license holder for a big bike that's owner by someone else...
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 03 Jul 2023    Post subject: Re: A2 Using a friends bike? Reply with quote

hust22 wrote:
Kind of wanted a more up to date response, no need to be twat Smile


If you're soft enough to bite at Nobby being a level 2/10 shitlord then you're fucked on this forum mate Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 03 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG bike schools are expensive!! Yeah we hear that a lot. but so is a plumber, an electrician in fact any skilled work comes at a price.

Guess what, A fleet of bikes, insurance for beginners with a huge public liability clause, office space, bike storage, a site to train on thats secure and authorised by the dvsa and an instructors wages all cost money.

Then take into account the instructor has trained and is continiously assessed.

but yes we are expensive. Makes me wonder why I live in my overdraft and I am not fkin rich... oh wait...

but sure, as Ste said, check out prices of temporary provisional insurance on your friends bike. Do it yourself, if you are lucky you'll get through it. if not you'll spend more and more money.

Or you could use a bike from a company with an instructor who will teach you valuable life skills, and is actually quallified to teach.

But yeah we aint cheap, but as I said, neither is a plumber.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 03 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what I'd charge for a day's work and I can't say bike schools look that unreasonable. With cars it's just one vehicle with the instructor in the passenger seat possibly with dual controls. No such option for motorbikes - nature of the beast - unless you think instructors would be mad enough to ride pillion with a n00b (if that was even legal.)
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 03 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I know what I'd charge for a day's work and I can't say bike schools look that unreasonable. With cars it's just one vehicle with the instructor in the passenger seat possibly with dual controls. No such option for motorbikes - nature of the beast - unless you think instructors would be mad enough to ride pillion with a n00b (if that was even legal.)


Cars spread it out and its currently around here about 80 quid a lesson for 2 hours, most people need around 20 lessons from talking to instructors. Thats £1600 right away.

I charge more for shooting a wedding than I do for a DAS course as a photographer.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 04 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
OMG bike schools are expensive!! Yeah we hear that a lot. but so is a plumber, an electrician in fact any skilled work comes at a price.


I actually wrote this in another thread very recently but I think DAS is pretty good value for money.

When I did it I got 5 days of an instructors time, probably about 5 hours a day so 25 hours in total.

My DAS cost £750 so that amortised over the course is £30.00 an hour. That covers instructors time, hire of the bike, insurance cover, fuel, test fees, etc. I think that's good value for money especially considering that from that figure income tax, national insurance, pension and employers national insurance contributions are deducted.

OK one instructor will take two DAS students at a time so they are raking in £60 an hour per instructor but it's still not mega money, I can see the schools will have really big overheads (rent of facilities, adminsitration costs, banking charges, consumables, utilities, servicing, MOTs, etc the list goes on).

So anyway most people would grumble but not put off hiring a plumber at £30 an hour or paying their lawyer £200 an hour for court business but when it comes to training they shit their pants over it.

£750 is a lot in an single instance, but considering if you get it even in your 40's it's going to get you a license to enjoy for the next 25+ years so amortised over that period it's only £30 or less a year (the real cost decreases over time thanks to inflation). I spend more money on wine each week that I will literally pish out again. The cost of DAS is fucking nothing over the long-term.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 04 Jul 2023    Post subject: Re: A2 Using a friends bike? Reply with quote

hust22 wrote:
Kind of wanted a more up to date response, no need to be twat Smile


I think the general expectation is a bit more humble on post 2..

try again though it can be fun on here.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 05 Jul 2023    Post subject: Re: A2 Using a friends bike? Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
hust22 wrote:
Kind of wanted a more up to date response, no need to be twat Smile


I think the general expectation is a bit more humble on post 2..

try again though it can be fun on here.


I think he's already flounced Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 05 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:


So anyway most people would grumble but not put off hiring a plumber at £30 an hour ..


Cheapo Jock plumbers must use Irn Brew cans instead of copper at that money!
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 05 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
Cheapo Jock plumbers must use Irn Brew cans instead of copper at that money!


To be honest I've not needed a plumber in years so no fucking clue what they cost now. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 05 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

£30 an hour for a plumber gets you SinghPal.
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PostPosted: 07:14 - 06 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
£30 an hour for a plumber gets you SinghPal.


Got me some italian fellow called mario. Kept on complaining about mushrooms and crocodiles or something
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 06 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
£30 an hour for a plumber gets you SinghPal.


Ever noticed how every tradesman has the same two attributes:

1. Always shits on the previous guy's work, and,
2. When asked the cost will always do the air-sucking-over-teeth noise before delivering the blow.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 10 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
OMG bike schools are expensive!! Yeah we hear that a lot. but so is a plumber, an electrician in fact any skilled work comes at a price.

Guess what, A fleet of bikes, insurance for beginners with a huge public liability clause, office space, bike storage, a site to train on thats secure and authorised by the dvsa and an instructors wages all cost money.

Then take into account the instructor has trained and is continiously assessed.

but yes we are expensive. Makes me wonder why I live in my overdraft and I am not fkin rich... oh wait...

but sure, as Ste said, check out prices of temporary provisional insurance on your friends bike. Do it yourself, if you are lucky you'll get through it. if not you'll spend more and more money.

Or you could use a bike from a company with an instructor who will teach you valuable life skills, and is actually quallified to teach.

But yeah we aint cheap, but as I said, neither is a plumber.


I was just settling down for a good old teffing but then you just fizzled out too soon. Started strong though
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 12 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my A2 / A1 on my R1150GS.
no issue surprisingly. Did not even ask to see my restriction certificate.. what a waste of time I spent printing that off lol.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 18 Sep 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure you have a main dealer restriction certificate.

We didn't and son couldn't do his MOD1. (Restriction fitted by myself).

This was earlier this year.
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