why university? (part rant)

[Itchy]

Just curious why do so many BCfers want to go to university , is it the experience , the qualification and its potential perks (more money better job) , or that your dream job requires it?.


Itch feels like he has jumped from the frying pan into the fire , catering jobs were crap , you'd sweat cobs all day for poor pay, university (while working) was supposed to be an escape from that.

however this office job happens to be in a building where the MD suffers from a faulty hypothalamus and turns the heating on all day and keeps the windows shut , and my office happens to be where the massive server array is vented into.
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I thought it was so you could piss away three years partying (though I did that without uni ).

[Rookie]

I want to go because it's an opportunity to start afresh with new people and new surroundings, whilst getting a qualification and better career prospects at the same time. Plus you get to have a lot of fun, make new friends, have lots of sex, etc.

[Groove]

I dont want to go, never did. So im not.
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[Bendy]

4 year government funded doss. Those were the days.

[feef]

a lot depends on what career you want to pursue. If you want to be a doctor, lawyer, architect, engineer, scientist etc, then you need a degree in a relevant discipline. Business degrees will help to some extent in getting a job in marketing,admin etc, but it's more competitive.

Doing to uni for the sake of "getting a degree, any degree" and coming out with a massive debt and an intimate knowledge of media studies, or many of the arts degrees, you'll find it hard to see a difference between those that did, and those that didn't go to uni when it comes to jobs that are available.

I was lucky, I dropped out of uni and never graduated, because I'd taught myself programming and was offered a job in IT. (I was studying mech engineering) unfortunately, even programming/comp sci degrees are almost worthless without experience now.

uni isn't the be-all and end-all of getting a job, and the current trend of getting as many school leavers into uni is doing nothing for anyone, and just leaving us with a large number of uni leavers who aren't employable,but have large debts to pay off.

There's more money in becoming a Plumber, electrician or carpenter now than in some IT disciplines, as ther's a shortage. Everyone wants to be a graduate.

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[cagiva gezzer]

Three years of bumming around in the Welsh hills, drinking and going out, trying to snap the bed, meeting people.

Number one reason was because i went straight into work after 6th form. Hated it. Saw all these people that did nothing but moan about their shit jobs. Decided that being a graduate would help me get a job that i actually enjoy, rather than doing it for the daily grind.

I've had the best three years of my life, I’ve got my qualifications, i walked straight into a job that is more fun than work and for the fist time in my life i feel stretched.

It's a big debt to get into to do a Arty "degree" for the sake of it.
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[cheekie monkey]

My brother got himself into so much debt it put me off going. I did my A levels but really didn't fancy it.

Most people don't get the jobs they want when they leave anyway i've found.

If I change my mind theres nothing stopping me from going in the future. A lot of people go when they are older now days.

I wanted to get a job and have money straight away, saving for my own place at the mo, I would have still been at uni now if I had gone.

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[stinkwheel]

That's a good point. University should teach you how to think about something. Your degree is there to show that you have exhibited the skills to manipulate the knowledge you have into a conclusion.

Or it should be anyway, although some degrees are increasingly becoming very formulaic. If you march in time with the syllabus, you pass. I put this down to too many students on each course.

My course was assessed in a much more traditional way, under 100 students in each year. The written exams weren't actually exams. They were to gain an exemption from the exam which consisted of an oral with a senior lecturer from another university. He ultimately made the decision if you passed or failed according to how well you demonstrated your knowledge and crucially, your application of and ability to integrate that knowledge.
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[Visitor Q]

You're missing the point.

Uni is the link between living at home -getting all your shit done for you by rents, working in tesco and dossing about doing A-levels with parents and teachers riding your ares- and going out to work - living on your own, motivating yourself, getting blacklisted for fucking up, managing your own money etc-.

At uni, you get given money etc, but you have the safety blanket of parents.

You have lectures you need to go to, but you get support to do them.

Its a middle ground. And i feel this one year has matured me far more then the entirety of secondary school ever could.

But its just such a fantastic experience, if you go at the right age.

Im more going for the experience then the degree, as i intend to join the coppers. The degree shows im a smart cookie, which should help career prospects in the force.

But as for the debt, the deals on it are pretty ace, so im not worried about that at all. you get a grand 0% overdraft, which goes up in £250 intervals per year (still at 0%), and you get 3 grand a year loan at like 2% (so you cant just save it and make loads on interest, so it works out neutral at the end of uni).

If you are smart enough to, do it. Dont kick yourself later.

And for what its worth, there are some seriously dumb fucks who got into uni.
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[Paul@125power]

I want to be a Pharmasist. That is my goal. The way I am going about it is going to university to acheive a Masters in Pharmacy. I choose university because even if their is other paths other than university that I am unaware of I can almost be certain that it will not be as a direct route as university be that several extra years or several different jobs.
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[colin1]

i went to uni. it was a good course but i fucked it up although i did pass (just). I could have saved it, if i had acted quickly as soon as i was slipping behind, but i didnt.

If you want to doss, dont go to uni, get a part time job and laze about the rest of the time.

If you go to uni, make sure you get the work done as otherwise its a waste and you will feel like you have let your self down.

A lot of ppl leave uni and still get the same crappy jobs they wd have got without a degree.

I have never got a job that required GCSEs let alone a degree, but this is probably another symptom of my lazyness.

In my day tuition was paid for and there were grants so I didnt have much debt.

Relevant work experience over summers, and applying to jobs early b4 u graduate is probably as important as getting a good degree.
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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

[shwartzbewith...]

You can't get into a better situation right now then taking up a trade. In Canada you can study a trade for 8 weeks at the most and then get an apprenticeship. When you're in your apprenticeship you are getting payed. You do that for 2-4 years (depending on what field) and then you're making full wage. Some trades I've seen will pay over $40/hr.

I'm not saying uni is useless but what course do you know of that can make you money in less than 8 weeks? It may not be full wage, but it's definitely more than most part time jobs that students get. So your schooling is payed off 6-months into it and it costs you less than $6000.
It makes sense.

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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

Fair enough.

I'd class those that you mentioned as "token degree's" personally. Seemingly made for the fun of it.
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[EllioTT_GiXXeR]

Most people just to do it to waste time, they are so lazy and dont know what to do with there life.

I left with GCSE's and have a better job then what the A-Level people will get.

A-levels and Uni people will all be leaving at the same time and will all be going into the same sort of job (office) and they will all start down the bottom of the ladder, when someone that worked there for say 3 years with GSCE's is higher then them and is on alot more money also.
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