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jdaly
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: liscence mistake??? Reply with quote

i have just recieved a liscence in exchange 4 my irish one which had a learner 33bhp entitlement.what the dvla gave me was an A entitlment on a green liscence with an L sign.ihave been told in the forum that i should only recieve an A1 as i didnt pass my 33bhp test at home.(cheers mondeokid 4 reply).was this a mistake as i thought a 33bhp or a full would b on a pink card even though the car entitlment is learner.should i take it that theyve given me a full, & get a full size bike or is it a 33bhp.what would you do?
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:10 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A full licence would be an A on a pink photocard. I don't see why you should be entitled to a full category A1 licence (or full A with/without 2 year 33 bhp restriction), as you only have provisional Irish entitlement.

I have no idea what a green licence with an L sign is - the last time I had a provisional licence they were green bits of paper but that was many years ago (full licences were green bits of paper then too).
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't understand a word of that. Confused

Let me try and piece it together......

You're Irish, and held an Irish learner licence? (have you passed any test for a full licence? What are the learner restrictions & tests available in Ireland?)

You've now come to the UK and exchanged your Irish licence for a UK one?

I don't think you can get a full UK licence til you've taken a UK test so the green learner one would be right.

I might be wrong though.
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jdaly
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
Ring 'em, they've f*cked up
in what way.wot sort of entitlment is it.
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jdaly
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
I didn't understand a word of that. Confused

Let me try and piece it together......

You're Irish, and held an Irish learner licence? (have you passed any test for a full licence? What are the learner restrictions & tests available in Ireland?)

You've now come to the UK and exchanged your Irish licence for a UK one?

I don't think you can get a full UK licence til you've taken a UK test so the green learner one would be right.

I might be wrong though.
in ireland u start off on 125, pass that test then 33bhp, then a test on that and when u pass that u have 2 stay on it 4 2 years till u can exchange it 4 a full.no cbt required either.initally i sent a letter asking would my liscence merit a full uk one as i held it over 2 years like how it works over here and this is what they sent back.should A be on learner liscence or what does this mean?
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

My provisional lisence in green with an L sign on it
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jdaly
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmahon wrote:
A full licence would be an A on a pink photocard. I don't see why you should be entitled to a full category A1 licence (or full A with/without 2 year 33 bhp restriction), as you only have provisional Irish entitlement.

I have no idea what a green licence with an L sign is - the last time I had a provisional licence they were green bits of paper but that was many years ago (full licences were green bits of paper then too).
i mean a green coloured liscence with a learner sign in the top left corner of it but with an A bike entitlment on the back.an irish provisional liscence allows you to drive a 33bhp bike so that is why i thought that i may have been entitled to at least the equivalent when changing . what exactly is a full A1 and why dont you think i should be entitled to one.also,has that been a mistake ??
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jdaly
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay_666 wrote:
My provisional lisence in green with an L sign on it
does it have an A or an A1 on back and what size bike do you drive?
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its a green license with an L on it...

You're on a provisional.

Over here, a Provisional allows you to ride a 125cc bike restricted to 14bhp as long as you have a CBT and L plates.

It does not allow you to ride any bike up to 33bhp.

You need to pass the A1 restricted test to do that.

If you are over 21 you can take a DAS which enables you to ride any bike.

If you have had an A1 restricted license for two years you can ride any bike.

I would hazard a guess that the Irish laws are the same (Eurocrats and all that Rolling Eyes) and that somehow you have become confused.

I say again, a green license with an L on it is a provisional and you should do a CBT to be able to ride a 125 with L plates.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just checked the DVLA website, and it basically says that you can drive/ride on your Irish licence for the categories you hold entitlement for for up to 3 years after becoming resident.


Oops, I read that bit the wrong way round. You can drive on your EC licence for the categories up to age 70 or for 3 years, whichever is longer ( I read it as shorter Embarassed )[/quote]
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
If you want to exchange your EEC (which includes Ireland) licence for a GB one you have to take a GB test, which means that your first GB licence can only be a provisional.


Just in case anyone wonders, that is only correct for exchanging a provisional for a GB provisional.

If you have a full EU licence then it can be swapped for a GB full licence.

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PostPosted: 22:34 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Over here, a Provisional allows you to ride a 125cc bike restricted to 14bhp as long as you have a CBT and L plates.

It does not allow you to ride any bike up to 33bhp.

You need to pass the A1 restricted test to do that.


A1 is not the same as A (restricted).

A1 = 14.6 bhp
A = restricted for first 2 years to 33 bhp (unless over 21yrs and do DAS)

A (restricted to 33 bhp) is sometimes known by some people as A2, but that's not an official licence category.

See the DVLA website.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdaly wrote:
in ireland u start off on 125, pass that test then 33bhp, then a test on that and when u pass that u have 2 stay on it 4 2 years till u can exchange it 4 a full.no cbt required either.


I thought in Ireland you could apply for a provisional category A licence straght away, subject to the 18 year old age restriction. It has 33bhp limit as a learner - and for 2 years after passing your test like in the UK. You can get a provisional A1 licence at 16 limiting you to a 125cc machine.

My information may be wrong, but I got it from https://www.transport.ie/upload/general/2706-0.pdf

If you've passed an Irish A1 test, you should be able to get a full UK A1 licence in exchange for your Irish one.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmahon wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Over here, a Provisional allows you to ride a 125cc bike restricted to 14bhp as long as you have a CBT and L plates.

It does not allow you to ride any bike up to 33bhp.

You need to pass the A1 restricted test to do that.


A1 is not the same as A (restricted).

A1 = 14.6 bhp
A = restricted for first 2 years to 33 bhp (unless over 21yrs and do DAS)

A (restricted to 33 bhp) is sometimes known by some people as A2, but that's not an official licence category.

See the DVLA website.
now you can understand the problem i have here.does the "A" on the back of my green liscence with "L" sign mean 33bhp entitlment or does an "A" only belong on a pink card wether restricted A or full A.hope u follow my meaning.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdaly wrote:
now you can understand the problem i have here.does the "A" on the back of my green liscence with "L" sign mean 33bhp entitlment or does an "A" only belong on a pink card wether restricted A or full A.hope u follow my meaning.


A on a provisional UK licence is like your Irish A1 provisional licence. There's just the one learner category over here and you're restricted to a 125cc machine (unless you're over 21 and accompanied by a riding instructor, in which case you're restricted to 33bhp).
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck trying to get DVLA to change anything.

I had a full motorcycle license (passed in 1990). Went to the Isle of Man then back to the UK. Sent my license off to change back to UK (and new photocard) and it came back with provisional motorcycle entitlement. I didnt actually spot this for a couple of years as I havent had a bike and just assumed all the groups carried accross.

Rang DVLA and they werent interested. Basically said its up to me to prove I have passed a test. No paperwork anywhere it seems. Rang the old test center, rang the Isle of Man - nothing - nada.

So here I am spluttering around on a 125, having to do CBT, Theory and DAS test all over again. Great.

So tempted to pretend I hadnt noticed, but knowing my luck, despite never having an accident in a car or on bike in 16 years I'd get pulled for something and be looking at a charge of driving with no license or insurance.
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jdaly
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmahon wrote:
jdaly wrote:
now you can understand the problem i have here.does the "A" on the back of my green liscence with "L" sign mean 33bhp entitlment or does an "A" only belong on a pink card wether restricted A or full A.hope u follow my meaning.


A on a provisional UK licence is like your Irish A1 provisional licence. There's just the one learner category over here and you're restricted to a 125cc machine (unless you're over 21 and accompanied by a riding instructor, in which case you're restricted to 33bhp).
so finally can i ask you what the difference between an A1 on a learner liscence and an A on a learner liscence which i have is.thanks for all replies!
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 19 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

sagalout wrote:
Rang DVLA and they werent interested. Basically said its up to me to prove I have passed a test. No paperwork anywhere it seems. Rang the old test center, rang the Isle of Man - nothing - nada.


They are well known for doing this. Regularly screw up. Bit in one of the bike magazines about this a while ago, including one bike copper who had to redo his test.

You could always try reporting them to the Data Protection Registrar.

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