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PostPosted: 13:31 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Its this type of nobber who gives cyclists bad name Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/5179058.stm


What a twat!!!


He should not have done it.
+ even if he still did it he should have ridden away.
Its not as if they could have taken his numberplate.



I'm all for getting as many people out of cars as possible, but you still have to obey the rules of the road ffs.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Its this type of nobber who gives cyclists bad name Reply with quote

He says he was the only traffic on the road, so not really a massive bad example Confused.

Do you ever go above the speed limit?
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. I break the speed limit pretty much everyday on the motorway.


But his justification is crap.



If I get caught I just admit it.
I know the law, I choose o break it.
If I get caught I don't try and hide it.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not the same for a massive number of motorcyclists that given the chance would get out of a fine if they could.

Saying the following seems a bit hypocritical when you don't either Wink -
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but you still have to obey the rules of the road ffs.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pile of wank, he went through a red light a 6 oclock in the morning ona bloody push bike. The filth must have been bored.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A police spokesman said officers have to respond if they see an offence being committed in front of them.


He says there was no other traffic, but failed to notice the police?

I'll happily go through a red light if I'm sure there's nothing else around.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pile of wank, he went through a red light a 6 oclock in the morning ona bloody push bike. The filth must have been bored.


But by using the public highway he still has to adear to the laws of the public highway act, which he didn't! so i don't see the problem with him being fined, if i did it i would get slated on here for driving through a red light
Whats the difference? is it because he is only on a cycle? if so then that must mean one law for some and another law for others?

If i,m going to get screwed for something and yet somebody else can do it and get away with it then i would fell well pissed.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not the same for a massive number of motorcyclists that given the chance would get out of a fine if they could.

Saying the following seems a bit hypocritical when you don't either Wink -
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but you still have to obey the rules of the road ffs.


Yes it does sound hypocritical.

However I mean you can't use the excuse as just being on a push-bike as an excuse not to be fined. Which it what it sounds like he did.

I would not try to get out of being done for undertaking by saying I am on a motorbike, so its alright.

Not that I would stop doing it anyway.
But thats just my contempt for the law.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But by using the public highway he still has to adear to the laws of the public highway act, which he didn't! so i don't see the problem with him being fined, if i did it i would get slated on here for driving through a red light
if so then that must mean one law for some and another law for others?


Oh for goodness sake, the 'public highway' Rolling Eyes the 'laws' of the 'public highway' Rolling Eyes .

I doubt there would be any person here who hasn't either speeded on their car/bike or jumped the kerb on their push bike.

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Whats the difference? is it because he is only on a cycle?


Well yes, quite simply put. An empty road at 6 am in the morning... a bit of police discretion would not go amiss and give the guy a telling off but to fine him is ridiculous.

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If i,m going to get screwed for something and yet somebody else can do it and get away with it then i would fell well pissed.


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PostPosted: 14:04 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh so if you was waiting at the lights at the same time as him and he went through on red and then you followed you would be ok with the cops pulling you over and doing you and pulling him over and saying on yer way m8 your only on a push bike?
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz|n00by wrote:
would be ok with the cops pulling you over and doing you and pulling him over and saying on yer way m8 your only on a push bike?

I would actually.

As it's rather a lot more effort for cyclists to get from A-B and they are managing to do so without polluting the air I breath nearly as much, I'm happy to cut them some slack if they aren't endangering anyone.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz|n00by wrote:
Ahh so if you was waiting at the lights at the same time as him and he went through on red and then you followed you would be ok with the cops pulling you over and doing you and pulling him over and saying on yer way m8 your only on a push bike?


Absolutely. However I wouldn't go through a red light in my car, but I would with a push bike because more often than not a push bike will not affect the flow of traffic. Further to that I would not jump a red light if it was to cause danger either.

I tend to hop onto the pavement though rather to avoid the traffic lights Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
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would be ok with the cops pulling you over and doing you and pulling him over and saying on yer way m8 your only on a push bike?

I would actually.

As it's rather a lot more effort for cyclists to get from A-B and they are managing to do so without polluting the air I breath nearly as much, I'm happy to cut them some slack if they aren't endangering anyone.


Another good point. Fucking hell, trying to make out a 4x4 driver is comparitible to a cyclist.

Maybe in the strictest sense of the law, but come on. Christ I got pulled last week for doing 50 in a 30 and the coppers let me go, with no fine or owt because the streets had been deserted, I wasn't driving recklessly and I hadn't been drinking. Comparitively speaking thats far worse than jumping a light on a push bike Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and they are managing to do so without polluting the air I breath nearly as much,


If thats a real concern to you then may i suggest you stop racing a bike for fun? as you dont have to do it and you poluute the air that i have to breath so please stop it! or is that just a point thats conveinant for you to use in this argument and really you dont give a toss about polluting the air?

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I'm happy to cut them some slack if they aren't endangering anyone.


And how many bikers do you know or heard off that got screwed at 4 am or on a empty motorway? But by your logic the law of the highway only applys to some and not others who use the same highway for free ad dont give a rats ass about the highway code.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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or is that just a point thats conveinant for you to use in this argument and really you dont give a toss about polluting the air?


So one has to give up all forms of pollution before you consider them truly enviromentally friendly?
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate that I am not amazing environmentally friendly. This is why I am happy for those that /do/ try and look after the environment for me and future generations some slack.
It is because I am not so good that I can appreciate those that do put more effort in.
For instance I would defintely respect someone that was doing unpaid charity work in Iraq, caring for orphans. This is something I care about, but in the end thoughts of my own pleasure are stronger than my care for others in the world in this case.

I've heard of some people getting let off pretty serious speeding stuff because it was early in the morning, definitely more cases than I've heard of people getting badly done for them, I'd say.
By my logic the punishment should be relative to the severity crime; so if you are much less likely to be endangering people, especially other people, the punishment should be much smaller.

For instance if it was someone driving a steam roller at 30mph in a highstreet half an hour after school closing time, then going through a red light, I think a much higher penalty would be justified!
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am sick of seeing bycles going through red lightes and weaving all over the road. there is a law that says also that there is a £50 fine for cycling on a pavement that i have never heard enforced.

it dosnt matter what time he went through the red light at the thing is the rest of us dont get away with it so why should he?

i had a fight with a cyclist before for not letting traffic past at all and cycling beside the cycle lane in the middle of the road. i tried to get past her and she kept weaving in my path and pissed a whole que of people off behind me. 10mph the whole way down a main busy road. beside the fecking bycle lane! wtf?
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Its this type of nobber who gives cyclists bad name Reply with quote

innominate wrote:
He should not have done it.
+ even if he still did it he should have ridden away.
Its not as if they could have taken his numberplate.

Why? Who was put at risk by him jumping a red light?

Being easily able to jump red lights is one of the benefits of cycling.

Get over it Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS for all we know the bloke came to the lights, looked both ways and cycled across at all of 5mph. You can spout the goodie-two-shoes Road Traffic Act all you like but the fact is it's a total non-event and clearly the coppers just had nothing better to do.

All of this 'if he was a 4x4' bollocks is just that. He isn't a bloody 4x4 he's 1 bloke on a bike weighing 1/100th of what a 4x4 does. He could've rolled right up to the line (unlike a car) and seen clearly what was(n't) coming as well as been able to hear there was nothing around (no engine noise or anything else).

Clearly it's live and let live until it's two wheels without an engine. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i had a fight with a cyclist before for not letting traffic past at all and cycling beside the cycle lane in the middle of the road. i tried to get past her and she kept weaving in my path and pissed a whole que of people off behind me. 10mph the whole way down a main busy road. beside the fecking bycle lane! wtf?


Its funny how people get a couple of annoying experiences then tar the entire section of people under the same brush....Grrrrrr, fucking cyclists Wink

Fuck it, push bikes are free transport which are agile and fun. I think motorists in general forget how convenient it is to travel on a bike and skip past miles of traffic, or jump a pavement to dodge a light.As long as your careful and not hurting anyone then I don't see the problem.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Clearly it's live and let live until it's two wheels without an engine. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 15:31 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Its this type of nobber who gives cyclists bad name Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
innominate wrote:
He should not have done it.
+ even if he still did it he should have ridden away.
Its not as if they could have taken his numberplate.

Why? Who was put at risk by him jumping a red light?

Being easily able to jump red lights is one of the benefits of cycling.

Get over it Rolling Eyes


Its not so much the actuall danger of the act.
I don't think what he did was dangerous. It was however against the law.

Its more the excuse that he is on a bicycle and should therefore get away with it that riled me.

He should have taken it on the chin, or at least not tried to use that fact that he was on a pushbike as some kind of mitigating factor.

Thats what pissed me off.



BTW I like push bikes, but I hate dickheads.
This guy will just make some people tar cyclists with the same arrgoant brush with which he painted himself.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was however against the law.


Gawd, then little old ladies who get fined for littering when they are feeding the birds deserves the fines they get, because their breaking the law too.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Its this type of nobber who gives cyclists bad name Reply with quote

innominate wrote:
It was however against the law.

Never go over 70mph then?
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 14 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Its this type of nobber who gives cyclists bad name Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
innominate wrote:
It was however against the law.

Never go over 70mph then?


If you bothered to read the above, then you will have realised its not about what I do. Its about the excuse he used.
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