bike business idea

[Itchy]

Would this work?

we have wheelie schools stoppie schools advanced riding schools etc,

I'm thinking would a fast filtering school work? , every morning I pass lots and lots of bikers waiting in traffic with some piss easy filtering opportunities and those said bikers just don't take those opportunities and ride almost like they are driving.

makes me think why ride if you are not going to play your advantages?,

So would it work? , we'd have a couple highly experienced couriers take newbies on the back of a GT750 (more bhp for the increased weight) through London at their normal suicidal speeds ( or at least it seems like suicidal speed to non couriers) , and then do the same but using GS500s in a sort of DAS configuration , where the newbie follows courier for a bit then the courier follows the newbie for a bit.

with of course their OWN bikes used during the DAS type stage and a very carefully worded no fault agreement.

any suggestions?

Ta
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[MarJay]

You'd never get insurance for it. Virgin limobikes have trouble enough, and they aren't teaching someone to do something that is considered extremely dangerous...

sorry.
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[Itchy]

Ah but the 2nd bit they use their OWN bike = their own insurance.

While the first bit is just a very quick tour of London.
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As marjay said, if someone hurt them selves or worse filtering after (never mind while being taught), I'd expect some very, very law suits.

The law being a bit iffy on this makes it all the more dodgy.

I don't think this kinda thing can really be learned quickly - it needs a reasonable progression from slow to fast to get used to it.

This sort of 'courier level' filtering would definitely be considered dangerous driving if evidence was shown to a court, I expect.

[edit]I presume he means public liability insurance, etc[/edit]

[Black Knight]

[strag]

Would it work? IMHO...no. Reasons mentioned above, and also the law on filtering is very hazy, how would you get a licence to practice?
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[h00dwink]

yea, there'd be no chance of getting liability insurance for it.

the difference with training school for riding in general, and also wheelie schools is that they're done under a controlled environment.
filtering's not controlled in the respect that filtering is not like-
filter through traffic on some road.
go back to the start, filter again, exactly the same.
there's different hazards everytime you filter. potentially it's incredibly dangerous.


you can't really teach or train someone filtering. it's something you learn only from experience and confidence.
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[Rookie]

Even if you could get liability insurance, I don't think it would get off the ground. People who don't filter probably do so because they're afraid of what other road users do, not because they can't do it. You can't train that, and even if you could, these people aren't going to pony up to learn how to if they're happy sitting in traffic anyway.

[Overkill]

i doubt it mate

a better idea would be for an advanced riding school to include some talking and tips on the subject

[Gradog]

Sorry but I think the idea, is a no go, for all the above and these:

Safe Filtering comes from experience, knowing your bike and your reacton times. Advanced Roadcraft comes in to its own here, looking for turning wheels, understanding where idiots are more likely to change lanes, developing a sense of calm doing it, so after some dick head moves over and blocks you, you don't try pushing your speed up just to get back to where you thoght you should be.
You can't show some one, how to filter at speed. You can explain the principles, and hope that it gives them confidence to start filtering.
I too filter daily, about 30 miles around the M25, and 30 along local roads and my criticism is not with those that don't filter, but those that do, and don't know who is behind them, going slowly, holding me up, and with no intention of just letting me past. It may sound selfish, but the key thing is knowing what is around you 360 degrees, and then showing a little courtesy.
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[sickpup]

Its a zen thing. Can't be taught.

[MarJay]

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[thx1138]

IMHO a filtering school would not work.

A DVD / with .pdf booklet might work.

[Gradog]

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[colin1]

wheelie schools dont do it on the road, so filtering school could also be on a private bit of car park or whatever

cones instead of cars wouldnt be too dangerous
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[yambabe]

Yeah but Colin cones don't change lanes without indicating, move over to block you deliberately, see you in their mirrors going faster than they are and get a panic wobble on etc etc etc........
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[Mark_petty]

Nope wouldn't work.
I could just imagine the advanced rider leading the way with the learner following panicking at every manoeuvre. Its such a difficult thing to teach as the learner wouldn't be able to follow every move as each situation is different. This will cause lots of accidents and you will probably end up getting sued
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[sickpup]

You cannot teach spatial awareness. Some people have it some don't.

You also cannot teach people all over the country what for example a London courier does. What the MET see as legal most forces don't.

[map]

Have been thinking about the idea and agree with posts above that it is a bit impractical.

However, maybe there is a need for a slow speed skills training course?

Insurance would still be an issue as you'd need bikes. Doubt if people would volunteer their own machines to fall over/off, even if at slow speed. After all, the training should be so you don't fall off your own machine.

Just a few thoughts
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[Gradog]

Now you may have a point. The bikes you want don't have to be new, and should be relatively cheap. If your teaching slow skills, but where is the damage going to come from.

I used to teach the old part 1 and part 2 long before CBT. A large part of this was exactly what you are talking about. Around the cones, breaking in the box, figure of 8 etc. It was great to build up confidence, and dead easy on a suzi 100 or CB 125. Tight at first until they found their way. I used to prove it could be done on a GPZ1100, with a stuggle admittedly.

We used to back it up with sessions on bike maintanance, and roadcraft. We had an excellent home video, of an advanced rider doing a course at 30mph. Then some twat pulls out on them. No collision of course, but the gasps every time we showed it indicated the impact it had, as after 3 mins they were all starting to get bored.
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