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zaknafien




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PostPosted: 19:51 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: BBC Lebanon damage report Reply with quote

Airports
Beirut International
Qaleiat domestic
Rayak military

Ports
Beirut
Tripoli
Jounieh

Other transport
Lighthouse, Beirut
Bridges: 62
Fuel stations: 22
Overpasses: 72
Dams: 3
Roads: 600km

Military
Radar installations: 4
Army barracks: 1

Civilian
Private homes: 5,000

Commercial
Tissue paper factory, Bekaa
Bottle factory, Bekaa
Other businesses: 150

Communications
Hezbollah's al-Manar TV station, Haret Hreik, Beirut
MTC mobile phone antenna, Dahr al-Baidar

Utilities
Jiyeh power plant
Sibline power station
Sewage plant, Dair al-Zahrani

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/5218106.stm
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

None of which are really going to bother a terrorist organisation which quite happily thrived when Lebanon was a total mess.

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PostPosted: 01:42 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
None of which are really going to bother a terrorist organisation which quite happily thrived when Lebanon was a total mess.


Yeah I bet those tissue paper & bottle factories being destroyed really put a dent in hezbollah's arsenal. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

zaknafien wrote:
Kickstart wrote:
None of which are really going to bother a terrorist organisation which quite happily thrived when Lebanon was a total mess.


Yeah I bet those tissue paper & bottle factories being destroyed really put a dent in hezbollah's arsenal. Rolling Eyes


Yep, just like all the houses, schools, hospitals and factories hit by over 1,600 of Hizbullah's Syrian and Iranian supplied missiles really damages Israel's war efforts.

What annoys me is that the BBC readily lists the damage caused by Israelis, arguably targetting sites where Hizbullah has placed its ordnance and missile launchers but has not detailed the affect of the missile strikes in Israel. There is a lot of press coverage of people in Lebanon fleeing the fighting but nothing of the 1,000,000 or so residents of Northern Israel who have fled south to escape the indiscriminate firing of the Kaytusha rockets.

The usual 'balanced' reporting from the BBC! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yep, just like all the houses, schools, hospitals and factories hit by over 1,600 of Hizbullah's Syrian and Iranian supplied missiles really damages Israel's war efforts.


Agreed, but fighting scum does not mean acting like scum to the massive numbers who would rather keep out of it. All that does is provide a very good recruiting tool for the scum you are fighting.

If they want to be regarded as civilised and have support then they need to be a little more careful in the amount of collatoral damage they cause. Rather than just acting as a well funded terrorist organisation interested only in its own direct aims.

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PostPosted: 16:25 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If they want to be regarded as civilised and have support then they need to be a little more careful in the amount of collatoral damage they cause. Rather than just acting as a well funded terrorist organisation interested only in its own direct aims.

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I only half agree with that Keith. The half that does recognises that there are elements in the IDF that believe that an Arab life is worthless so who cares what we do. Fortunately these elements are tempered by more liberal forces in the Army. The ones that insist on dropping leaflets in Arabic to warn the citizens to get out of town as it is about to be targetted. The downside of this from the IDF perspective is that it also warns Hizbullah who conveniently move there weapons elsewhere.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fortunately these elements are tempered by more liberal forces in the Army. The ones that insist on dropping leaflets in Arabic to warn the citizens to get out of town as it is about to be targetted


Maybe so, but it is hardly going to contribute to a long lasting peace if they demolish innocent peoples homes and livelihoods. Giving a warning that they are going to screw with peoples lives but that they can run if they want is hardly a liberal thing to do.

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PostPosted: 17:45 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think in this instance, "innocent" is a relative word. I would like to think that the majority of the Shias in Southern Lebanon want a peaceful life. However, in their midst a terror organisation grew up, their militia controlling their lives and I wonder how many of their livelihoods are dependent on Hizbullah in one way or another. Maybe they saw good in them and supported them, despite their stated aims of destroying the country down the road, or because of it? Assuming that is the case, giving your enemies supporters a 48 hour warning to leave their homes or face the consequences is a pretty reasonable thing to do, under the circumstances.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Afraid I cannot agree with that, given that it is based on guesses upon guesses. Given a country of millions, a few thousand hizballah are small fish.

Current Israeli operation are probably the best recruiting tool hizballah have.

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PostPosted: 01:28 - 30 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the fuck are they fighting over?! Surely over the past few years they've bombed the absolute shit out of the land to the extent theres sweet fuck all left. Me and my mate had a lengthy discussion about this on the way to painballing today we came to this conclusion.

The western world is different to most of the Arab countries as you may have noticed. Why? Well one of the explanations is that western society is no longer dictated by religion. Yes religion was followed harshly in the time and it 'raised' us. We also done alot of stupid shit because of our religion (ie the inquisition). HOWEVER we now look at religion in a less literal light and use it as a sort of guideline, whereas most of the Arab countries take their religion SO seriously that when there is a conflict of religions ie. 'Jihad' or fighting over Jerueselam (sp?) they go and bomb the shit out of each other. Great.

Nuke em i say. Maybe some carpet bombing? I dont know but the chances are they are just going to waste resources and kill each other eventually anyhow.
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 30 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you knew anything about Lebanon, you'd know that wasn't the case. It was probably the most westernised arab state, they had democracy's that worked, you weren't shot if you went out for a good night out and so on. Except perhaps for the loony's in the south, but I believe that the International powers that told Israel to get out 5 years ago, should have took it further and placed a Policing force on that border, and perhaps this could have been averted...

But then again, Israel ignores nternational Law, whenever the need arises so I dunno...
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 30 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lebanon arent the argressors though are they? Its the Hesballah (sp?) country?
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 30 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly, thats the point mate ... Confused
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 30 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point was that yes Lebanon are Westernised...but Hesballah arent. Hesballah is blinded by religion, it doesnt matter if Lebanon isnt, they are only acting in defence.
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 30 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

rizlabob wrote:
i have to side with israel on this one. they are fighting a terrorist organisation mixing in with the population. what are they supposed to do? sit back and wait for irans nutty dictator to supply hesbollah with a dirty bomb?


They are fighting a small terrorist organisation. Should be fairly easy to target them with half decent intelligence. However blow the crap out of the local population and they are not going to get any decent intelligence.

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Why? Hizbollah are not in power. Not voted into power. They are a Shi'a organisation, and only about 35% of the Labanese population are Shi'a.

Essentially they are a terrorist organisation operating out of Lebanon against Israel. As said earlier, didn't notice the UK bombing the south of Ireland in the hope of taking out the IRA. Killing people who have no real care either way tends to be counter productive.

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Hi

Difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is often just which side you are sitting on.

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PostPosted: 00:26 - 31 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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