v5 states 70cc, barrel states 50cc???? help.

[skelly]

i have recently bought an rx50 2nd hand. the v5 says it is a 70cc, but the barrel in the engine says it is a 50cc.
due to me being 16 i cannot insure the bike as being a 70cc. but i have been told by bike shops that if it says 49cm cubed its a 50cc engine.
should i tell the dvla it is a 50cc or what should i do.
thanks skelly.
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[Mister James]

Has it been bored out? If it has, that could explain it, although as I understand these things, it's unusual for the owner to actually act legally and register the mod!
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[skelly]

i dont think it has, how can you tell, if you can ??
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[0ddball]

If it says 50cc on the barrel, even if it is actually bored to 70cc, plead ignorance.

Just change it to 50cc on the V5 and send it back. With a bit of luck they'll send you a new one amended to show 50cc.

[jay_666]

Did you not look at the V5 before you bought the bike?

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[fredsredhat]

about 5 yrs or so ago i bought a VW beetle. On the log book it stated 1600cc but it was a 1200. (this was all under of the instruction of the local VW guru) I sent back the log book stating it was a 1200 or whatever the exact cc was and the dvla returned it with correct engine no and cc no questions asked. it was the coolest car on the planet though.

[Aikman666]

Its probably that the RX has had the millosi 70cc barrell and piston kit fitted sometime in the past. And its either been used to much it needed replacing or it seized or otherwise buggered up with the strain. If it says 50cc on the barrell, and its 70cc on the V5, change the V5, what top speed are you getting out of it?
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[Yoshi]

WTF so I can buy a 2.0 civic and tell the DVLA "OMG LOOK IT IS WRONG IT SAYS 2.0, ITS REALLY A 1.5!!!! CHANGE IT PLEASE!"

then get insured on it
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[proximity]

You could also just not get insured at all, that would be about the same and save you some money.
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[The View Askew]

With an insurance certificate (valid or not due to engine size is irrelevant) he can aquire a tax disc, the lack of this may well lead to the discovery of his engine untruths, due to a police officer noticing, or even an inadvertant inspection by a traffic warden.

A slight help to his cause, though long winded with the DVLA and just the whole "Oh shit a copper oh fuck i'm going to be shafted for this engine" malarkey.

I do not condone people using ways around the road to valid insurance. my bike, and everything about it is legal, reasons for this are I hate the idea of people riding/driving without insurance for one fact and one fact only, if they have an accident with me, not a penny do I receive in the event of their liability without personally extracting it from them.

If you do choose to go uninsured, hence unlicenced, you are a cunt.

Similar to the principles of continuously leeching of others' fags, if you can't afford to smoke, don't smoke.

So I do what is my part in keeping these circumstances from arising.
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[mashed]

check the engine number on the v5 matches the one on the engine if it does its probable what Aikman said if that dont fill in the v5 and send it off

[code guru]

i know so many ppl and my self that have fitted a 70 kit to a 50 and no one has changed there log book to a 70cc well no one i know anyway. the point i am trying 2 make is its very rare for people to change there log books to a 70cc as mainly its 16 year olds that convert them to a 70cc . if they send u the log book back again saying they cant accept the change just go to your local shop and get them to make u a recipt or somethink saying its a 50cc and not a 70cc.
thanks

[code guru]

even if the prev owner did reg it ad a 70cc he should had told u it way a 70cc well he shoulc had told u it was a 70cc on the log book and that u need 2 change it but dvla might have made a miss print. do the check on this site enter your bike reg and ss what cc it comes up as

https://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/application;JSESSIONID_EvlPortalApp=EDspyfzBTuyTc1s2wzucDXyo2apc9EI5oZsCFby0q530AatLiuIk!510164295!-951086411?origin=vnav_bar.jsp&event=bea.portal.framework.internal.refresh&pageid=Vehicle+Enquiry
or

https://www.rac.co.uk/web/vehiclechecks/dvla_lookup/

they might even change it back to a 50cc over the phone but i know if u need 2 change the cc u need an invoice or letter from a mecanic normaly.
thanks

[lilredmachine]

If it is bored, it will be fairly noticeable on the performance front.

how quick is it?
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[skelly]

i havent been out on it yet, due to not being insured. but i have been told it goes 50 so i think it hasnt got a 70 kit on.
thanks everyone ill ring up the dvla .
skelly
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[fast_tzr]

Usually you can't actually "bore out" the stock cylinder as such, its just an actual cylinder replacement, and I've never seen one from any reputable company that says 50cc on it when its actually 70cc. Usually they are just unmarked. I think someone has just buggered up the v5.

[Yoshi]

Was joking, wouldn't really do it
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[code guru]

i think std ones can be bored out 2 like 60cc maybe a bit more but with a std 50cc cylinder bored out 2 lets say a 70 it wont have that much more powe.
hitting 50 i would say its a 50 unless they didnt derestict the exhaust or variator. with a 70kit u would get about 60 - 65 depending on wot bike it is

[Rogue]

Hey skelly, im the bloke who sold you the RX. The guy i bought it off had it classed as 70cc (he was 17) due to the 70cc jack-up kit but the engine clearly states "50cc" which my dad's mate (who is a copper) said this makes it perfectly legal to ride as a 50cc. Everyone on this forum seems to think that de-restricting your bike void's the insurance. This is total b*llocks, its not true at all. When i had that bump with the range rover, they paid out no problem even though I was (technically) not legal to ride. My advice is send off for new forms with a 50cc class and you'll be laughing. I myself couldn't be arsed waiting for the papers to clear so i registered it in my dad's name and insured it in mine. Either way, you will be able to ride. You will have to wait a bit for the papers to clear but until then just whizz up and down the road

Best of luck mate, if you need any more assistance - just give me a knock.

[edd]

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[Rogue]

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Rogue;
The insurance covered you in this case.
Doesn't mean they might not have investigated more in other cases.
If an accident happens at a high speed they are much more likely to check for such things.

[Rogue]

Yes you are right G, they can investigate further. Its up to you skelly, i chose to run the risk (albiet a small one), its up to you mate. I love what you have done with the paintwork by the way!!