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mrtEE
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: 1995 CB250 caliper, any other bikes with the same one? Reply with quote

The front caliper on my 1994 CB250 is in poor condition and Im looking for a second hand replacement. Are there any otehr bikes that use the same caliper as i cant find any for teh cb250 on fleabay.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you take a pic i might be able to help.. i'm quite sure its the same on a few bikes, is it twon or single piston?

Whats wrong with the calipers btw?
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a 2 piston caliper, it only has one on the front. Nissin i think. Its leaking fluid from the seals and the pistons etc are in very bad shape.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, i think i know the ones... allthough can't think of a specific bike with them..

I'd suggest going to a breakers and takeing one with you, find out which have them, look on ebay (ones from breakers are generally shit, as they have been sat for a few months corrodeing)

David silvers will do pistons and seals for them, not cheap but if your only haveing one side its not so bad.. you can sand the pistons down in many cases and have them working good (just have to make sure there not cutting into the seals.

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PostPosted: 17:58 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

heres some pics:

https://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/mrteee/Picture029.jpg

https://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/mrteee/Picture028.jpg

https://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/mrteee/Picture026.jpg

https://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/mrteee/Picture025.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr.z wrote:
Ahh, i think i know the ones... allthough can't think of a specific bike with them..

I'd suggest going to a breakers and takeing one with you, find out which have them, look on ebay (ones from breakers are generally shit, as they have been sat for a few months corrodeing)

David silvers will do pistons and seals for them, not cheap but if your only haveing one side its not so bad.. you can sand the pistons down in many cases and have them working good (just have to make sure there not cutting into the seals.

Good luck Thumbs Up


so u reckon i shud try and fix this caliper?
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH yes probably, any seccond hand one you get is likely to be crap, especially from breakers..

personally i'd have the pistons out, get them as smooth as i could and pick out the seals, clean behind them (they corrode behind the seals, which can push them out, with the results you have there) fit new ones lubricateing with some brake fluid and your sorted Thumbs Up give it all a reeealy good going over with a wire brush and brake cleaner spray (very important to use this), maybe a bit of caliper paint...

There not bad at all them pistons, get the surface rust off and and work down to fine sandpaper, make sure theres no edges sticking out.

Allways be 100% sure with brakes, bodges here can get you killed Sad
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brake calipers have a seal between the piston and bore.

This allows the fluid to move the piston and hence the brake pads.

They also have a secondary 'dust' seal that allows the piston to move in and out (normal usage) and protects the piston seal from contamination.

I can't clearly see your outer seals and the inner seals seem to be protruding past the piston.

This usually happens when the piston seals are lubricated with the wrong grease or the outer seal fails and the slot that they sit in gets contaminated and the aluminium furs up filling the slot and pushing the seal out of place.

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PostPosted: 18:15 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr.z wrote:
personally i'd have the pistons out, get them as smooth as i could and pick out the seals, clean behind them (they corrode behind the seals, which can push them out, with the results you have there) fit new ones lubricateing with some brake fluid and your sorted Thumbs Up give it all a reeealy good going over with a wire brush and brake cleaner spray (very important to use this), maybe a bit of caliper paint...

There not bad at all them pistons, get the surface rust off and and work down to fine sandpaper, make sure theres no edges sticking out.

Allways be 100% sure with brakes, bodges here can get you killed Sad


Mr.Z - pretty much all that you have suggested there is a BODGE.

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PostPosted: 18:29 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If parts are very obviously crap (the pistons) then yeh they need replaceing, ive seen worse than them on prefectly serviceable bikes (not mine mind)

Fitting new pads may push them in far enough to have the jagged piston parts damageing the seals.. new pistons are a good idea if you can afford them, if they are catching theywill just chew up any new seals.

The wirebrushing i mean the caliper body where the dust gets in there..

tbh ive never needed to replace any, so perhaps i'm quite wrong on the procedure.. btw i didn't mean to suggest reuseing the seals Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

"tbh ive never needed to replace any, so perhaps i'm quite wrong on the procedure.."

Should you really be offering advice at all ?

Do you understand what the outer seals are there for and why they are important ?
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are picking apart his posts when what he has posted is spot on? The pistons will probably be fine, to check them properly you will need to measure the outside diameter and check it is within limits, along with general condition. I bought some seals for my NSR caliper for £2.00 and the pistons were £6 each, I can't see them being much more for a CB250. As for cleaning it up, check mr.z's post Wink
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr jamez,

I'm not 'picking apart' his posts and his advice is not 'spot on' - unfortunately.

To quote:

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personally i'd have the pistons out, get them as smooth as i could.......There not bad at all them pistons, get the surface rust off and and work down to fine sandpaper, make sure theres no edges sticking out......Allways be 100% sure with brakes, bodges here can get you killed........tbh ive never needed to replace any, so perhaps i'm quite wrong on the procedure..


Sandpaper ?

Removing surface rust also removes the chrome.

The pistons are machined to quite a high tolerance, I'm not sure attacking them with sandpaper is going to have any beneficial effect.

Perhaps there is even the possibility of them corroding more after sandpapering them, followed by the new corrosion damaging the new seals and then a front brake failure (making the whole repair a dangerous waste of time and money).

I suggest you actually have a look at the photos of the caliper before passing opinion.

I sincerely hope that your NSR caliper did not resemble the one in the photos.

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PostPosted: 22:32 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apart from that (hence the measuring bit) I can't see any problems.

After seeing the photo though ( Shocked ) its new piston time.

No my NSR caliper was not like that, the dust seals had given up so I replaced the lot just in case.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 08 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr jamez wrote:
Apart from that (hence the measuring bit) I can't see any problems.

After seeing the photo though ( Shocked ) its new piston time.

No my NSR caliper was not like that, the dust seals had given up so I replaced the lot just in case.


Ok, mr jamez......

What is your opinion on the dust seals on the calliper in the photographs ?
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